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Poor, poor woman

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Mookie81 · 26/01/2021 07:43

Complete lack of support and nowhere to turn.
A terrible deed but I feel so sorry for her.
And where the fuck was her ex? Living in Spain while she was driven to despair.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9186243/Olga-Freemans-friends-reveal-agony-trapped-flat-son-loved-dearly.html

OP posts:
MacDuffsMuff · 26/01/2021 18:50

@staydazzling

I know you mean well op put posts like this only normalise women murdering their disabled child. even at the end of her rope she didn't even choose a quick and painless method.
No, they really don't 'normalise' anything of the sort. No one on this thread thinks this was a normal incident.
Coffeeandcocopops · 26/01/2021 18:58

Just appalling that the public sector was allowed to withdraw care and support from disabled children and families. To leave parents on their own in a lockdown with no support is inhuman. To those that think that it is ok and that the mother should not have killed her child. Have you ever been in her shoes? How dare we say that she should not have done that. She didn’t choose to. The state played a part in that child’s death. We have a duty as a caring society and the 6th richest to look after the old, the sick and the young.

MrsMercedes · 26/01/2021 19:05

@apalledandshocked she knew his job when she married him! Didn’t complain with the million pound home and travel his job brought back then. My sympathy is for the child

5zeds · 26/01/2021 19:05

To those that think that it is ok and that the mother should not have killed her child. Have you ever been in her shoes? How dare we say that she should not have done that. what on Earth???

MrsMercedes · 26/01/2021 19:06

@Coffeeandcocopops so what should have happened? Schools weren’t safe. SEN children need closer contact

unmarkedbythat · 26/01/2021 19:16

Mental health issues isn't an excuse for killing your child. “it’s an explanation” it only seems to stand as an “explanation” if it’s a disabled person who’s the victim.

I don't think that's fair. There is no way of explaining Orla's actions without taking into account that Dylan was disabled. That he was disabled and had needs that were not being met, that she had sought help and been rejected for it, that she was seemingly made extremely unwell by the stress of their situation- that is the context. He was killed by his mother who was acutely mentally unwell at the time and her illness appears to be a direct result of services not supporting her and Dylan. Disabled people will not in any way be better protected by pretending that the explanation for Dylan's appalling death is not rooted in that.

FightingWithTheWind · 26/01/2021 19:16

The thing is the mother was ill too, she reached out for help, she didn't want this, if you have never experienced psychosis it is very hard to understand just how much it warps reality. Yes it is awful what she did to her son, and she will have to live with that for the rest of her life, but she waa failed too.

momtoboys · 26/01/2021 19:19

Although no one would condone what she did but I feel terrible for her. Asshat ex leaving her with that stress. The exhaustion alone must have been overwhelming.

Haenow · 26/01/2021 19:43

@5zeds

Mental health issues isn't an excuse for killing your child. “it’s an explanation” it only seems to stand as an “explanation” if it’s a disabled person who’s the victim. Mother kills child because of exhaustion fuelled psychosis doesn’t really get the same sympathy. Add disability, howling like a dog, and not sleeping and suddenly it’s a different picture.
This is patently untrue. Women who harm or kill their young babies due to severe mental illness rarely serve sentences in standard prisons.

People are looking at this through their own experiences. It’s incomparable because this woman had psychosis and I’m assuming most people posting right now are not floridly psychotic.

AllMyPrettyOnes · 26/01/2021 19:51

[quote MrsMercedes]@apalledandshocked she knew his job when she married him! Didn’t complain with the million pound home and travel his job brought back then. My sympathy is for the child[/quote]
she knew his job when she married him! Didn’t complain with the million pound home and travel his job brought back then.

What a gross attitude.

OrangePlumGrape · 26/01/2021 19:55

Such a sad story, yes she was privileged to live in an expensive house with a famous ex etc but just imagine what her life was like day to day. We just somehow expect people not to break until they do.

MessAllOver · 26/01/2021 19:55

She worked as a corporate lawyer... so she wasn't exactly a penniless gold digger when she met him Hmm.

In any case, her life was transformed completely by having to care for a severely disabled child. It's not unreasonable to expect the other parent to make some adjustments as well.

Whatflavourjellybabyisnice · 26/01/2021 20:20

Having had bad mental health issues myself, although not psychosis thank god, I can almost say with certainty that she didn't know how to manage the world inside her own head therefore her perception was very skewed.
We are not born knowing how to fix our mental health and assume the problems are outside in the world.... that's what psychiatrists are for. Let's not forget how difficult how hard they are to get on the NHS... I'm very lucky but it took me a while and I could have easily given up before hand, I definitely thought about it. Confused
So, imagine what it must have been like for this mother.
We can give compassion WITHOUT advocating her killing her son.

TheSockMonster · 26/01/2021 20:21

In any case, her life was transformed completely by having to care for a severely disabled child. It's not unreasonable to expect the other parent to make some adjustments as well

This!

There’s a thread running at the moment with women’s postnatal experiences after c sections. What is very clear from both these threads is the huge difference between the sacrifices society expects mothers to make compared to fathers.

Tiquismiquis · 26/01/2021 20:40

The whole case is a tragedy. There is only so much that humans can cope with. You only have to see the number of threads on here with people struggling with their mental health during lockdown. This poor family were left to it.

Those saying mental health doesn’t excuse murder are unfamiliar with severe psychosis. I have a family member with no insight into their mental illness. There was one episode when she experienced severe psychosis and could have easily killed me. It was utterly terrifying. If that had happened, it would have been a failure of mental health services.

Arobase · 26/01/2021 20:43

@staydazzling

I know you mean well op put posts like this only normalise women murdering their disabled child. even at the end of her rope she didn't even choose a quick and painless method.
How can it "normalise" it? This woman wasn't just "at the end of her rope", she had severe depression and psychosis inducing delusions that she was the Messiah. Having to look after a severely disabled child 24 hours a day whilst all requests for support are being ignored and rejected, such that you are unable to sleep at all, with no prospect whatsoever of relief, is not a "normal" situation.
Arobase · 26/01/2021 20:44

@5zeds

I think my immediate sympathy on hearing someone murdered a child is with the child.

It’s a bit like when I hear about any form of abuse. I understand that perpetrators are usually damaged themselves but it’s not where my sympathies lie.

Olga Freeman did not murder her child. I wish people would get that through their heads.
Arobase · 26/01/2021 20:47

[quote MrsMercedes]@apalledandshocked she knew his job when she married him! Didn’t complain with the million pound home and travel his job brought back then. My sympathy is for the child[/quote]
And she didn't know that the marriage wouldn't last and he would bugger off to Spain and refuse to help if he were desperate. Nor did she know that she would have a severely disabled child with a very serious and deteriorating condition in circumstances where she could get literally no help in a pandemic and be left to cope 24 hours a day without sleep indefinitely.

Do you really have no sympathy for someone in that situation? If so, frankly, you have issues yourself.

Arobase · 26/01/2021 20:49

[quote MrsMercedes]@Coffeeandcocopops so what should have happened? Schools weren’t safe. SEN children need closer contact[/quote]
All concerned should have complied with the law. Both the law and guidance were to the effect that vulnerable children should normally be in school; although councils' duties to meet SEND were modified, they were not removed wholesale and the modification certainly did not authorise councils to leave parents coping on their own all day every day with no education or social care support.

Ealing has a lot of questions to answer, and I really hope they are made to do so.

Squirrel134 · 26/01/2021 20:52

@AtlasPine

The father moved, not to the other side of town or a neighbouring city. He moved to Spain. Like a PP said, we don’t know the ins and outs of why he wasn’t available to do half of the childcare of this poor little boy but he wasn’t there and she was, and she broke. Hugely sad to think Dylan’s short life was brought to such a tragic end but like others, I have a great deal of sympathy for his mentally ill mother. She’s been failed by her ex and by the local council (who were in turn failed by the lack of funding available for services which might have helped her).

It’s made to feel so impossible to abandon your child when you can’t cope if you are the mum. No flying off to Spain for her. She would have been painted as a most evil and unloving mum if she had taken Dylan to the offices of Ealing child and families social care and left him citing her inability to cope.

It should be made more ethically possible for parents in her situation to insist on respite care when they get to this stage without being judged harshly.

This, this. Except you have been a parent in these conditions you cannot truly understand the weight of making constant decisions. Could you do more to help your child progress? You want to do more? You want to prove those 'naysayers' wrong? You can't cope, but you don't want to abandon your child, you don't want them to leave - it means you've failed your child.
You have doubts anyone can care for them well enough - that should be you - it's your duty, your reason for being a mother.
You are terrified, your child will be taken away, if you ask for help. Then who are you? what kind of mother are you? You want your child to die before you, because who can you trust to truly care for them, when you are gone! Add to these constant thoughts, lack of sleep, lack of respite by family or friends, depression, the constant pain in your heart that this is it forever. She cracked under intense and constant pressure. Many us of do, but luckily, something or someone intervenes just before we break, and diverts our attention with yet another crisis. The times I have wanted to run away and die. But you can't.
Most mothers can't leave their children, and quite simply she didn't want to leave without him.

But for the grace of God. May his sweet soul rest in peace. May she find some kind of peace and forgiveness.

For anyone out there, feeling they cannot cope, please reach out; ignore the idiots who lack empathy, you are human, your child is human and your situation is real. Talking to Samaritans or true friends can lessen your pain by some degree. Getting practical help may seem impossible now, but every little bit helps. Hold on to that.

HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 26/01/2021 20:54

There will be a serious case review, this is mandatory when a child dies

saraclara · 26/01/2021 20:56

I'm surprised that this doesn't happen more often.

I spent most of my career teaching severely learning disabled/severely autistic children. I used to wonder how some of those parents kept going. Worried about how on earth their families coped. I was regularly trying to comfort parents in floods of tears, who simply thought they couldn't go on any more. And there was pretty much nothing I could offer.

There is nowhere near enough support for these people. In some places there is none. The fact that something like this is so rare, speaks volumes for the strength of many, many parents in this situation.

I loved my job. I loved the children in my care. But I never lost sight of the fact that I got to say goodbye at 3:15. I got to have weekends. I got to sleep though the night. I got to have holidays.

5zeds · 26/01/2021 21:08

@Arobase murder is one person taking another’s life. That’s what she did.

Schuyler · 26/01/2021 21:10

I work with adults with disabilities. We’ve seen an increase in families/parents caring for people with learning disabilities just not coping. People who’ve otherwise coped for years are pushed to breaking point.
Day services are open but limited places due to need to socially distance, ditto any respite. These places have Covid outbreaks so get closed all the time. It’s utterly shit.

tsmainsqueeze · 26/01/2021 21:16

That poor woman and child , so sad .
I can't believe how lacking in empathy some people are , it is so obviously a desperate act , aim your anger at those who let her down .

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