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BogRollBOGOF · 17/01/2021 13:02

Here we are again, gaining sequels even more rapidly than the Fast and the Furious...

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SirSamuelVimes · 17/01/2021 15:17

@DrRamsesEmerson

Checking in! Cooked pot roast pheasant for lunch (excellent local butcher happened to have some).

I think lockdown is doomed once everyone over 70 has been vaccinated. People are being careful and law abiding because they don't want to give it to someone who might die or be really ill: once those people are protected, what's the argument for keeping apart?

Very impressed by your lunch menu.

Call me cynical, but I think that's why there's all this press around the new variants, and I keep seeing 'younger and sicker patients' being reported. Moving the focus so that once granny (and grandpa, why does he get left out, poor sod) are out of danger, it'll become "you could give it to anyone and you don't need to be old or CV, you never know who it's going to effect badly, you could put your friends in hospital".

110APiccadilly · 17/01/2021 15:34

Well, I'm about to start doing our shopping now (DH was doing the bulk of it but as I'm on mat leave we've adjusted household responsibilities - also the masks and distancing stickers and stuff get him down a lot more than they do me.) Wonder how long it will take before some over-zealous applier of policies tells me off for going with DD.

In other news, septic tank issue is a small one, thank goodness. Finding the thousands required for a large issue would be very difficult right now.

CruCru · 17/01/2021 15:39

Hi all

I’ve just been for a walk up the cliffs with my son. He’s decided he wants to climb Everest but I’ve said that I’m too unfit to join him. However, it would be good to do a walking holiday when this is over (one with mountains or at least big hills). Maybe in Norway? I might investigate.

Taswama · 17/01/2021 15:52

Checking in.

Norway is beautiful but expensive @CruCru . I highly recommend Austria, especially the area around Mayerhofen. Lots of cable cars to take you part way up the mountain.

CoffeeWithCheese · 17/01/2021 15:55

They seriously NEED to get the schools open before March. I'd give up everything else for the kids to get back to school.

DrRamsesEmerson · 17/01/2021 16:11

@SirSamuelVimes, I agree that that’s the aim of the rhetoric, but the hospital admission figures will tell their own tale. In spite of their best efforts they haven’t found any credible evidence that the new variants are more dangerous, and the usual pattern for viruses is that they get less virulent over time (hence the other circulating coronaviruses being common colds).

DrRamsesEmerson · 17/01/2021 16:12

@Crucru, bit left field but Tenerife might be good for a walking holiday. You could climb El Teide. It’s also brilliant for stargazing if your DS is interested.

amicissimma · 17/01/2021 16:15

I'm cleaning the oven. Mumsnetting while I wait for the second application of Oven Pride to do something (anything ...).

Once I've finished (if ever) I'm expecting the rest of January under lockdown to look considerably better in comparison.

MadKittenWoman · 17/01/2021 16:16

@Ramses

Teide is wonderful! went walking up there a few years back and did one of the stargazing tours last summer. Had to quarantine when we got back, but it was worth it.

Aztectrousers · 17/01/2021 16:24

Does anyone know if they are currently doing any research on the Pfizer vaccine with regard to the 12 week delay in the second one? Sorry I’m a bit obsessed about this topic at the moment but if it turns out that its not as effective doing it this way, and all the elderly are given it, what will happen?

110APiccadilly · 17/01/2021 16:25

The best walking I have done (though admittedly I've not been abroad loads) was in Switzerland.

110APiccadilly · 17/01/2021 16:27

@Aztectrousers

Does anyone know if they are currently doing any research on the Pfizer vaccine with regard to the 12 week delay in the second one? Sorry I’m a bit obsessed about this topic at the moment but if it turns out that its not as effective doing it this way, and all the elderly are given it, what will happen?
Isn't the Pfizer one supposed to be 90% effective on one dose? (I may have got confused about this, but I thought I'd seen that somewhere). I guess they're thinking it won't be less effective than that, and anything above that will be good enough to take the pressure off the NHS.
Aztectrousers · 17/01/2021 16:39

110APiccadilly the Pfizer one was tested with a 3 week gap in between the first and second doses unlike the Oxford one which was tested at different time scales. They are making assumptions about the Pfizer one but as this is a new regime they have nothing to compare it with. It might not even work at all with this big gap and Pfizer are against it- that’s what I’ve read anyway and this might not be correct but I’m very uneasy about it.

bakingcupcakes · 17/01/2021 16:55

@110APiccadilly

Well, I'm about to start doing our shopping now (DH was doing the bulk of it but as I'm on mat leave we've adjusted household responsibilities - also the masks and distancing stickers and stuff get him down a lot more than they do me.) Wonder how long it will take before some over-zealous applier of policies tells me off for going with DD.

In other news, septic tank issue is a small one, thank goodness. Finding the thousands required for a large issue would be very difficult right now.

This isn't relevant in the slightest but as a child I thought everyone had a septic tank in their garden because we did! I'm glad the job is only a small one. Must be a relief.
LilacGlasses · 17/01/2021 17:28

Aztectrousers they are giving the Pfizer vaccine at the hospital where I work and I feel under pressure to have it although I have reservations too. Even people who have had covid very recently are clamouring to have the vaccine and I don’t understand their desperation as they will have natural immunity for a while anyway. I would like to see a bit more research before I blindly follow the current government recommendations and I’m a bit concerned that the over 80’s are not protected until they get their second jab. Hopefully in the next few weeks there will be a bit more clarification. Meanwhile I feel like I’m doing something wrong because I haven’t signed up ☹️

CoffeeWithCheese · 17/01/2021 17:56

OK that's DD2's work sorted out for tomorrow... school really don't fucking get that we can't drop everything at 9am and sit through them talking it all through and releasing stuff then. Thankfully I've found where they save the next few days worksheets on the class google drive so I can save them into a set place for DD to find and write onto (the apple pencils are fucking godly these days)

MercyBooth · 17/01/2021 18:00

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countrygirl99 · 17/01/2021 18:17

@CruCru you are wicked making me think of lovely walking holidays. I love Austria but star gazing plus mountains sounds a wonderful combination.

Aztectrousers · 17/01/2021 19:12

I’m dreaming about beautiful Lake Garda. Can’t wait to go back.

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 17/01/2021 19:21

@MercyBooth here is a copy and paste of that article from the Daily Telegraph you asked about.

For others interested - article is dated 15 Jan and covers the disastrous effect 9f the gov's response to Covid on those living with disabilities/caring for someone living with a disability. Text below:

Lockdown has exposed Britain's callous indifference towards disabled people
The effect of restrictions on this group is ignored, and the future hardly looks any brighter

IAN BIRRELL
15 January 2021 • 7:00pm
When I asked my doughty friend, a working mum on the other side of London, how she was bearing up in this latest lockdown, her reply was frighteningly stark: “I am left broken.” She has a teenage daughter with learning disabilities whom she loves to bits and makes her laugh. But this young woman needs help eating and drinking, uses a wheelchair, sleeps just three hours a night and has challenging behaviour. Schools are out, support systems have collapsed, activities are shut down. It is cold and raining, so even a walk in the park is a miserable struggle. And the final straw is a demand to hear “We Wish You A Merry Christmas” every waking moment.

She is a tough cookie, so will survive these torturous times. I hope. But like others in similar situations, she is struggling amid the pressures of the pandemic. Some are cracking. “One woman told me she closed the door after sending her child to school, lay down on the floor and cried all morning when I asked what she’d done that day,” said Katie Clarke, co-founder of Bringing Us Together, a group for parents of disabled young people. “Another said I was the first adult she had spoken to all week. We’ve been ignored from the start. It feels like we are so alone.”

These are difficult days for many. But for people with disabilities and their families, the stresses are intensified and struggles inflamed. They speak of anxiety, desperation, exhaustion, fear and isolation. Above all, they talk of feeling forgotten and swept aside, with their priorities always at the bottom of any pile. This pandemic has shone a fierce spotlight on the economy, government and our society, exposing strengths and weaknesses with ruthless efficiency. Sadly, it revealed again a disturbing truth: people with disabilities – especially those with learning disabilities – are shunted aside with casual ease.

We entered this crisis with a collapsing care system. One consequence was people with autism and learning disabilities locked up, abused and drugged in psychiatric units instead of supported in their communities. The lack of concern reflects wider attitudes. Real-term spending on social care fell £300 million over the previous decade despite surging demand from older and especially working-age people, while NHS funds rose by about £26 billion. There was endless fury over health “cuts”. But silence largely on social care beyond hollow pledges of reform despite dire staff shortages, dreadful frontline pay and corporate fat cats stealthily milking the shattered system.

Then came coronavirus. Infected people were shifted into care homes with deadly consequences, the domiciliary sector was offered pathetic advice or ignored, hard-fought legal rights were rapidly removed, essential treatments were halted, and schools were opened and shut. Distressing bigotry was exposed by blanket “do not resuscitate” notices imposed on people with learning disabilities and lurked behind the arguments of those who dismiss the lives of people with “underlying health conditions” so freely. Even now, where is the outcry over figures indicating three-fifths of Covid deaths involved people with disabilities – or fatality rates almost four times higher for people with learning disabilities than fellow citizens? Do their lives not matter too?

Then there is a blizzard of new rules that can have devastating consequences, the maze of shielding restrictions oblivious to the diversity of human lives. Why, for instance, should a young woman with autism in supported living be treated with similar caution to an old man in a care home, stopped from seeing family? People exempted from wearing masks have been abused, leaving some frightened to leave homes, while those with learning disabilities can struggle with concepts of social distancing. Citizens with visual impairment who happily navigated their local neighbourhoods suddenly find themselves confronted with baffling new queues on streets and one-way systems in shops.

There are a few rays of light. There is recognition of the crucial role performed by carers, even if much of the discussion focuses only on older folk. The pandemic has reminded people of the importance of community, with fantastic support systems springing up to provide lifelines for shielding neighbours. Yet it is hard to be optimistic when the economy has been damaged and people with disabilities already suffer such low employment rates, or while fearing local authority services will be hit again when the Government seeks to pay off gigantic bills.

This disease has proved that people with disabilities are at best an afterthought in our country – and at worst, forgotten. It has shown the hypocrisy of a heated diversity debate that sweeps aside the most excluded group despite terrible housing, employment, poverty and social interaction. The UK has 14 million people with disabilities and before the Covid catastrophe, a survey by Scope found half felt left out of society and even more were lonely or depressed. But who really cares? Even in a deadly pandemic, there seems callous indifference to their plight.

MercyBooth · 17/01/2021 19:36

@TooManyPlatesInMotion Thank You so much Flowers flowers]

MrsEWeatherwax · 17/01/2021 20:05

@AcornAutumn, I don’t think at the present time he could do that without losing his temper.
I received on of those email about only one person only. And they don’t care, I wouldn’t care it’s empty when they go.
I don’t think the Stay at Home crowd care about anyone but themselves. If they really cared about society and people they would keep voting Tory.

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 17/01/2021 20:17

You're welcome @MercyBooth. Daily Telegraph has some very good Covid-related content. I say that as someone who was a life long Guardian reader!

Wishfulthinking1977 · 17/01/2021 20:50

Have to say thanks guys for all the love and support! You are all definitely the people I would love to party with!! Dh is definitely much better and bizarrely no one else in our family including elderly parents, pregnant daughter or toddler got anything! He says he felt rough but swine flu was worse?! It's got very nasty where I live and I do think slander charges may be considered! Definitely think the cure is worse than the disease?! You are all amazing and keep being so! Xx

MercyBooth · 17/01/2021 20:51

I was just about to say exactly the same. Once upon a time we would have seen an article like that in the Guardian.