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Lisa Montgomery executed

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PegasusReturns · 13/01/2021 08:17

Lisa Montgomery was executed yesterday - I don’t know how this amounts to justice in 2021. What an appalling tragedy her life and death was.

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55642177

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 13/01/2021 14:30

Behave like me. I’m not the one who killed someone and ripped their baby out of them.
Am I missing something here. Confused.

Roussette · 13/01/2021 14:31

No justice for Lisa Montgomery. She was failed by everyone from her parents, her social workers, doctors and judges.

MedusaElectronica · 13/01/2021 14:33

@YouBoughtMeAWall

The U.S has a grubby history of executing young people (god - have you seen the old video of that 1 year old boy being electrocuted?

What??

Sorry - 14 year old boy. George Stinney. And it is photos, not video. TRIGGER WARNING I strongly advise you that this link has the most disturbing pictures of a 14 year old child, wrongly convicted, being prepared for electrocution www.thesun.co.uk/news/7683698/harrowing-story-of-the-innocent-14-year-old-black-boy-executed-by-electric-chair-after-being-convicted-of-murder-in-ten-minutes-by-all-white-jury/
MedusaElectronica · 13/01/2021 14:36

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

Behave like me. I’m not the one who killed someone and ripped their baby out of them. Am I missing something here. Confused.
Yes, you seem to be missing quite a lot.

Can you see how difficult it might be for someone who has been brutalised, humiliated and raped for their entire life, someone who has brain damage from physical abuse, and who has a range of complex mental disorders to behave like a good, kind, calm, rational loving person like you?

CheltenhamLady · 13/01/2021 14:39

@379abc

I have no pity for her, so many go through horrifically abusive childhoods and don't murder innocent woman and steal their babies from the womb, especially when they already have children. You all say she was mentally ill, but clearly not mentally ill or incapacitated enough not to put a lot of planning and thought into her crime. I save my sympathy for the family of the woman who died, and her baby. The real victims family can rest now knowing there is zero chance she will ever be released to live a semblance of normality when their relative was so cruelly and brutally snuffed out.
I agree.
Awwlookatmybabyspider · 13/01/2021 14:40

I do have a mental disorder FYI

YouBoughtMeAWall · 13/01/2021 14:45

Thanks @MedusaElectronica- I wont read that link. I’m just not in the place for it right now.

Sloth66 · 13/01/2021 14:45

What she did was horrific, but so was her life. She experienced Horrendous abuse from a young age and was a damaged individual who never really stood a chance.

MedusaElectronica · 13/01/2021 14:46

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

I do have a mental disorder FYI
Then it is to your credit that you are able to manage it.

Obviously the vast majority of people with any form of MH issue or illness do not commit any crimes or wrongdoing.

But some people are so damaged, have such severe problems coupled with having lived the life of a cruelly abused dog , and they have little chance of behaving like good people - like you!

That's the point.

MedusaElectronica · 13/01/2021 14:48

@YouBoughtMeAWall

Thanks *@MedusaElectronica*- I wont read that link. I’m just not in the place for it right now.
Flowers

None of us should even have to know about such things, because they shouldn't happen.
Like the things discussed in this thread.
Sad

WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 13/01/2021 14:50

Sorry - 14 year old boy. George Stinney. And it is photos, not video.
TRIGGER WARNING I strongly advise you that this link has the most disturbing pictures of a 14 year old child, wrongly convicted, being prepared for electrocution

Those coloured pictures aren’t actually of the lad (it was a dramatisation), but there are real photographs from his mugshot where you can see he is only a boy Sad

Abominable, I can’t believe the death penalty is still an option to this day.

TeenyTinyDustinHoffman · 13/01/2021 15:13

It is worrying, the number of people on here, who seem unable to comprehend that others can feel simultaneously sympathetic towards Bobbie Jo Stinnett and towards a woman who was continuously raped and abused from the age of 3.
Or, indeed, the number of people who think that "not killing the mentally ill" is tantamount to awarding people sainthood or letting criminals off entirely.
Because this is either piss poor reading comprehension or a staggering lack of compassion. Or both. No matter what Lisa Montgomery did, nothing excuses dismissing that childhood as a "sob story". That was a truly disgusting thing to say.

IheartJKR · 13/01/2021 15:14

I don’t want to get into a debate about the death penalty and who I think is correct or not.
All I can say is that I’ve cried just reading the first page of this thread. I am hormonal atm so feeling particularly sensitive but I’m not a crier... in fact quite the opposite.

All the abuse, the hurt and damage and The vengeance targeted towards women.

RIP

Roussette · 13/01/2021 15:18

@TeenyTinyDustinHoffman

Excellent post. Could not agree more.

formerbabe · 13/01/2021 15:20

I just read an article on the bbc website...I'm sorry I don't know how to link it. The details of the abuse she was subjected to is absolutely heartbreaking. I actually wish I hadn't read it. The thought of those things happening to a child is unbearable. Honestly, what is wrong with some of you? I swear you'd have more compassionate if that had happened to a dog rather than a human.

YouBoughtMeAWall · 13/01/2021 15:21

I’ve read the link on the first page of this thread and the sheer number of people who knew what was being done to LM since childhood, family, teachers, officials including police, judges and social services and did nothing just blows my mind. Makes me wonder how common place child abuse is in that community and how many other abusers are/were allowed and enabled to abuse with the full knowledge and permission of those who are supposed to prevent it.

GypsyLee · 13/01/2021 15:24

She should have been locked away in a hospital for all eternity, helped and supported, not murdered.
What she did was terrible, but look at her life, nobody should have that sort of life, there's no excuse, she was failed.

Bluntness100 · 13/01/2021 15:25

@GrolliffetheDragon

Yes, that’s what her defense is saying, my point is that was a complex premeditated action over weeks and months she took. Her team are saying she had significant learning disabilities. But how severe could they have been to habe the intelligence to do what she did over that period of time.

Surely it depends on the areas of her brain that are damaged.

I understand what you’re saying but the defence isn’t just saying brain damage, they are saying significant learning disabilities. I am pointing out what she did, over a number of months, took a lot of planning and cunning. There is no way round that, she even researched how to do a c section, targeted her victim, told everyone she was pregnant, faked her relationship and pregnancy to the victim, lured her, killed her and performed rhe c section, and lied throughout. This wasn’t some spur of the moment crime or a crime of passion and agression. This was something she planned for months, with her lying throughout and after, it was cold and calculated.

She was deemed fit to stand trial and to have culpability. And her crime, and the level of preplanning required to do it, over an extended period of time, and why she did it, to enable her to win the child custody case to keep two of her kids with her, shows a level of intelligence.

As said, I do believe absolutely she had significant mental disorders, I also believe rhe brain damage could have had many impacts, I do not believe in the death penalty.

I am questioning how significant her learning disabilities were and based on what she did, the extensive level of planning and lying requires, rhe manipulation, i would steer towards she absolutely knew it was wrong and what she was doing.

Freaksandgeeks · 13/01/2021 15:32

I am broadly against capital punishment, but believe that proven serial killers, might be candidates. This case, however, is tragic beyond measure. Three lives have been lost. It’s an utterly horrific case. It seems that so many opportunities to help her were missed. Although I wish she hadn’t been executed, I also wonder what would be the purpose of allowing her to rot in prison or even in a psychiatric hospital for years? Could she really have been helped at her age? Very, very sad.

Cakemonger · 13/01/2021 15:36

I read the details of her life the other day in the Guardian and I wish I hadn't. I have been profoundly upset by it ever since. Probably the worst thing I've ever read.

America is a barbaric country.

OllietheOwl · 13/01/2021 15:41

Haven’t RTFT sorry but @Bluntness100 I’m with you. Whatever happened in someone’s past cannot excuse this crime - the fact that her crime was completely premeditated over several months. The research, the befriending, then lure and murder of her victim. It’s the most heinous crime I think I’ve ever heard of.
I’ve read of many people with terrible pasts and who are mentally ill committing acts of violence and murder but these are usually moment of lashing out, extreme violence etc. The fact that this was completely planned over many months makes me think she knew what she was doing.

lalafafa · 13/01/2021 15:44

TW, this is a difficult read, how anyone could endure this is incomprehensible. From about page 80beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20429811-jan-vogelsang-social-history

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/01/2021 15:46

It feels to me as though this abused and deeply disturbed woman’s execution has closed the circle on absolving all those, who failed her. Shame on them. Shame on Trump.

Figgygal · 13/01/2021 15:50

I was surprised to read this today last thing I heard was it had been delayed post trump leaving office.
He really is an inhumane dictator in the dying throes of his power

PrankedByLife · 13/01/2021 15:52

She deserved it - evil woman!
She had enough mental balance to befriend a pregnant woman online, with the purpose of killing her for her baby.
It's premeditated.
If, a big IF she stabbed the pregnant woman in a street in a state of psychosis THEN maybe the death penalty may have been unfair.