Page 10 | Morrisons to ban shoppers who refuse to wear face masks

Crankley · 12/01/2021 18:47

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Exemptions need to be scrapped other than with confirmed medical need.

Exemptions need to be treated the same as the blue badge scheme and you should be required by law) to provide official proof of exemption. Failure to do so should result in a fine.

And no, it’s not ok to just say “I’m exempt” and be immmune from questioning. Far too many people are taking the piss that the laws around wearing masks have become pointless.

Totally agree

I won't go into details of why but whenever I wear a mask, which I only do when I go to see my nurse once a week, I feel like I'm suffocating. Do I go and buy a lanyard and say I'm exempt? No. I wear the mask and deal with the feelings as best as I can until I can rip the bloody thing off. If I can do it then others can do it. The bottom line is I don't want to catch Covid, nor do I wish to pass it on to someone else. I believe there are people who class themselves as exempt and who should be making more of an effort to overcome why they find it difficult to wear one.

Orf1abc · 12/01/2021 18:50

If I can do it then others can do it.

By your logic, you should be competing in the Olympics. Other people can do it, so why not you?

MrsT1405 · 12/01/2021 18:57

Here in Spain you wear the mask....end of. Even on the street you wear your mask or the passing police shout at you. You can't get out of our village without written proof of were you are going and why. They need to toughen up in the UK. If you can't wear a mask , stay in , get on line, ask a friend or neighbour or ring a help line.

SinkGirl · 12/01/2021 18:57

@bendmeoverbackwards

As for volunteers helping out those shielding, what do you think would happen if everyone mask exempt also needed to shield? Do you think there’s sufficient infrastructure in place?

Yes I do actually. I am part of volunteering group where I live. We have loads of volunteers probably more than are needed. There are countless groups on FB and elsewhere.

This is absolutely not the case in most places, as I discovered when trying to find help for a vulnerable neighbour. Glad it’s true where you are.

SinkGirl · 12/01/2021 19:04

If I can do it then others can do it.

No. If you can do it, you can do it. That tells you bugger all about what others can do.

You clearly have the understanding of what COVID is, what masks are, what the risk is etc. How do you propose making those who don’t understand this wear a mask?

We have stayed indoors basically since March, with my twins only going to nursery for 3 hours twice a work from August, and now their specialist school for the last half term. Other than that they only attended hospital appointments and vaccinations, but I did have to take one of them into a supermarket a couple of times. They are fortunate enough to be too young for it to be required but I know other parents of older children with similar needs, some of whom are single parents.

Most people don’t have the slightest fucking clue what this last year has been like for disabled people and their carers, and reading this sort of ignorance still after all these months of discussion and clarification is really infuriating.

Meredithgrey1 · 12/01/2021 19:29

If I can do it then others can do it.

What a bizarre attitude to have about something. Is there nothing you can’t do that others can.

canigooutyet · 12/01/2021 20:02

If I can do it then others can do it.

My local trust has a full mask policy. I had to be sedated. Just like I do if the nostril air thing isn’t available and it’s only the face thing.

It must be really nice that you can tolerate it without getting drugged. Weird hey how we are all different. Although I believe the guidance states of you can basically push yourself to do it you’re not exempt.

I’d love to know how someone got a letter from NHS other than a diagnosis letter. Mine are massive as I they not only mention my various diagnosis but also various restrictions my conditions have on my life.

How do I cope with my triggers? Nhs keep telling me I don’t really because my coping mechanisms aren’t healthy.

SinkGirl · 12/01/2021 20:04

There were so very many threads on why some people can’t wear masks many months ago - lots of people talked about the issues they face, or their loved ones. Maybe go and have a look for them if you’re so convinced it’s not an issue for some people. All this “I’m exempt and I wear one anyway” stuff really doesn’t help - if you wear one anyway then you don’t need to be exempt, since exemption is based on how it affects you, not your diagnosis. Perhaps that’s variable but for many it isn’t. The ableism here is absolutely horrifying - I realise for many it would be preferable if people like my children didn’t exist but they do, this experience has been hard enough on us all as it is, and proposing enforced shielding due to inability to wear a mask when there are no additional vulnerabilities is shocking.

PaddingtonsSister · 12/01/2021 20:29

To get on a plane you wear a mask or you don’t get on The supermarket could choose the same rule

canigooutyet · 12/01/2021 20:38

A plane isn’t essential for the majority of people. Whereas a supermarket and food shops are essential.

Chicchicchicchiclana · 12/01/2021 20:43

My 89 year old mother with severe copd wears a mask when her carer and hairdresser visits. She wore a mask for at least 2 hours twice recently when getting her vaccinations.

I am certain that there are many people who could wear a mask more easily than her out and about shopping in my local shops. And they won't have been living fully isolated at home with only a weekly visit from a carer and a quarterly visit from a hairdresser.

BlueMoonRising · 12/01/2021 20:49

By your logic, you should be competing in the Olympics. Other people can do it, so why not you?

Oh god. I hate this kind of false logic. If you think the physical demands of wearing a mask are anything like the same as the physical demands of being an Olympic athlete, then I guess you have little regard for sportspeople and their achievements.

To be fair to @Crankley, they said 'others can'. Not that everyone can. It's incredibly unlikely that there is something that Crankley can do with their limitations, that nobody else with similar limitations can. Statistically possible of course, but highly improbable.

MercyBooth · 12/01/2021 21:14

The people bringing up planes are betraying their true motives. They want their holibobs. Its not about altruism at all.

SinkGirl · 12/01/2021 21:19

@PaddingtonsSister

To get on a plane you wear a mask or you don’t get on The supermarket could choose the same rule

Just curious - would you say this to the face of my friend who’s a single mum to two disabled children who can’t wear masks, or are you only such an inconsiderate ableist on the Internet?

PaddingtonsSister · 12/01/2021 21:44

@SinkGirl Children don’t wear masks
The fact she is a single mum is totally irrelevant

SinkGirl · 12/01/2021 22:18

[quote PaddingtonsSister]@SinkGirl Children don’t wear masks
The fact she is a single mum is totally irrelevant[/quote]
Children don’t wear masks? Children over 11 do. And if you have children who are severely disabled then of course it matters that there’s no one to leave them at home with while you go to the supermarket. How ignorant can you be?

turnitonagain · 12/01/2021 23:37

Most of the posts here supporting Morrison’s say those with genuine exemption should require a note or card confirming so. I have the same for free prescriptions. Why is this such an undue burden to get out of mask wearing if the need is legitimate?

Seems like some just think exemptions should be self declared with no further questions no matter what. But they wouldn’t say the same for a disabled parking space at the same supermarket. What is the difference?

QueenOfTheDoubleWide · 12/01/2021 23:45

The self declaration system has been abused by many who either do not want to wear a mask for ideological reasons. There are also some who seem to think that certain medical conditions exempt you from wearing masks, particularly those that affect breathing, but those are the people who really need to wear them for their own safety and would benefit from practising at home.

From the evidence medics have shared of how little they impact breathing and oxygen levels, I suspect the only genuine issues where they really cannot be worn will be psychological, MH, etc

turnitonagain · 12/01/2021 23:58

@MercyBooth

And don't move to any of those much vaunted Asian countries who 'got it right' .. they don't have exemptions

www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3048208/left-home-six-days-disabled-chinese-boy-dies-after-carer-dad-and

Yep Definately something to be proud of and aspire to

Singapore, Japan, Korea...lots of places in Asia requiring masks that aren’t China.

SinkGirl · 13/01/2021 00:36

@turnitonagain

Most of the posts here supporting Morrison’s say those with genuine exemption should require a note or card confirming so. I have the same for free prescriptions. Why is this such an undue burden to get out of mask wearing if the need is legitimate?

Seems like some just think exemptions should be self declared with no further questions no matter what. But they wouldn’t say the same for a disabled parking space at the same supermarket. What is the difference?

Who in the NHS has the time to assess and administrate this exemption certification? I would love to see such a scheme but it’s an enormous undertaking and there is no one to do it.

SinkGirl · 13/01/2021 00:37

Singapore, Japan, Korea...lots of places in Asia requiring masks that aren’t China.

And what happens to the disabled members of those countries who cannot wear, put on or safely remove a mask?

turnitonagain · 13/01/2021 01:10

Who in the NHS has the time to assess and administrate this exemption certification? I would love to see such a scheme but it’s an enormous undertaking and there is no one to do it.

Why do you think it’s an enormous undertaking? What percentage of the UK do you think would seek exemptions through the NHS?

turnitonagain · 13/01/2021 01:12

And what happens to the disabled members of those countries who cannot wear, put on or safely remove a mask?

They don’t enter supermarkets. Online delivery or friends family or other services help them.

This is a public health emergency, I feel like many are acting purposely obtuse about it. You might have to use online shopping for 6 months, versus the healthcare system collapsing.

MercyBooth · 13/01/2021 01:27

@turnitonagain How nice of you to offer to give up your online slot. Very kind

turnitonagain · 13/01/2021 01:41

I don’t live in the UK but I’m very happy wearing masks at all times so would give it up to someone who needed it gladly.