Derbyshire Police Patrolling National Trust Sites

[DecemberSun]

I find it hard to believe that they can justify this amount of manpower stopping National Trust places from receiving visitors. Surely they have better things to do with their time. They were at 2 sites yesterday.

This is what confuses me... If somewhere is open why can't people go??

Are they checking people haven't driven for miles to visit?

I thought you could go for exercise

The grounds of heritage properties are allowed to stay open so what are they supposed to be stopping people from doing?

Absolutely

You can go to your local area for exercise. There’s local police at our national trust sites too; nowhere near Derbyshire. They check that you’re local (using the same description in the guidance; the same town or village, or part of city).

A bit of me feels it’s unnecessary but it was CRAZY here last time with people from all over and the news is still full of people being turned around from London or whatever, so maybe it is necessary now. Maybe all the exemptions and exceptions and “do what’s reasonable” on an individual level won’t work now, because it’s the majority not the minority doing it.

There was a thread a couple of days ago-someone wanting to drive 10 miles to a NT place. Gov guidelines are to stay local but it all got a bit confusing.

Exercising
You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.

Well if they're traffic police then they probably don't have much else to do, what with there being so little traffic around.

Apparently they were turning away volunteers as well for travelling too far.

Lost so much respect for them.

Imagine the problem is household mixing in numbers?
I’ve given up on my usual walking route because it’s too busy, lots of groups. Many are probably households but guessing some aren’t. Local bandstand regularly has upwards of 10 youngsters, don’t suppose they all live together.
I do feel for them, it’s hard at their age, but if this is ever going to end everyone needs to comply. Some people won’t unless it’s enforced 🤷‍♀️

I’m in Derbyshire. They aren’t prepared to come out for teenagers smoking drugs and playing chicken with cars, but they’ll do this?

I reported anti-social behaviour last summer and I was told “They have to go somewhere, nothing we can do.”

Maybe because of incidents such as these?

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-derbyshire-55523147

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-derbyshire-55551055

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4126445-Interpretation-of-travel-and-exercise?pg=1

Theres just as much traffic as usual. I remember the last lockdown how brilliant it was with no fucking cars for once but I dont think we'l ever see that again.

Many NT properties are out in the countryside and will have hardly anyone who can visit without leaving their village, town or part of city that they live in, so not very joined up thinking by Derbyshire Police.

We have to remember that its close contact that transmits the virus, not level of adherence to rules that don't suit all circumstances, so I agree that people shouldn't be travelling for miles to get there, mixing households in cars or extended families all meeting up for hugs but I don't see a problem with people from the same household travelling 20-30 minutes to a property that's fairly close by but outside their village/town/city area.

But that would require a level of common sense that Derbyshire Police appear not to have if their behaviour in the pandemic is anything to go by. I know that Derbyshire has a lot of rural areas, but there are cities and other urban areas too and I find it hard to believe that crime is so low in the county that this is a priority for them.

What does 'same town or village or part of city' mean when the heritage sites are in the country?

My parents are lucky enough to live at the centre of a triangle of two NT and one EH site. They have been a life-saver in getting them out of the house and walking.

They can't walk directly from their house - mum (dementia) is really scared of the traffic, and the other local places they usually go are too icy or muddy.

These NT and EH sites are as Covid-safe, as anywhere, have good parking and good paths and limited numbers - easy to socially distance. But they are all formerly country house estates. Not in a village, town or city.

My dad wants to know if, when the snow clears, they could book in and drive the ten miles to one of them. In normal times, ten miles is their normal distance - 15-20 minutes.

It's the same where I live. People being asked to carry id to prove their address again (actually carried mine since March).

So many people travelling "to exercise". I'm in Wales and the rules are very clear, only travel by car if it is unsafe for you to walk from where you live or you are disabled making it unsafe for you to walk from where you live - and travel to the nearest place it is safe to walk. So even then it's restricted. I know a lot of people who have been stopped and fined.

Our NT places are all closed as they're impossible to walk to.

I've been stopped twice since we went into lockdown (again), once getting food in the evening and asked why I hadn't gone during the day (it was after 10pm) and I said because I'm vulnerable to covid and it's too busy. Second time, a PCSO threatened me with a fine for having what she called a "picnic" - did the same thing last time. I've badly controlled diabetes which is getting worse as my medical condition deterioates (as no medical care since March), and need to sort my blood sugars before they get to the point of seizures - though this time I was better prepared so no fine, but she was really angry at me for doing it.

We've had a lot of antisocial behaviour issues over the Christmas period here and I know people would rather police dealt with that, but the fact is they can't do both. Loads of people have been turned away from where I live.

The Peak District is the most used N park in England, most paths make it difficult to socially distance.
Have you thought about the pressure on mountain rescue?

I support them.

Many NT properties are out in the countryside and will have hardly anyone who can visit without leaving their village, town or part of city that they live in, so not very joined up thinking by Derbyshire Police.

That was my first thought. All the NT properties near me are in the middle of nowhere so what constitutes as visits from people in the local area only when they are actually not near any other properties.

The Po Po are being fully utilised to take advantage of the Scamdemic because fining people is big business nowadays.

@Scarby9

What does 'same town or village or part of city' mean when the heritage sites are in the country?

My parents are lucky enough to live at the centre of a triangle of two NT and one EH site. They have been a life-saver in getting them out of the house and walking.

They can't walk directly from their house - mum (dementia) is really scared of the traffic, and the other local places they usually go are too icy or muddy.

These NT and EH sites are as Covid-safe, as anywhere, have good parking and good paths and limited numbers - easy to socially distance. But they are all formerly country house estates. Not in a village, town or city.

My dad wants to know if, when the snow clears, they could book in and drive the ten miles to one of them. In normal times, ten miles is their normal distance - 15-20 minutes.

Have a look at the thread I linked to where the poster wanted to do just that. I thought it went against the 'stay local' guidance but others didn't see a problem. (Don't FGS think about car breakdowns or accidents as that would never happen apparently).

Friends car was broken into but they were too busy to sort it.
It's all bullshit

I'm in Derbyshire. Know of acquaintances cheerfully having groups of friends round in the evenings.

I wish the police would crack down on that, rather than people doing low risk outdoor activities

@TheDoctorDances

I’m in Derbyshire. They aren’t prepared to come out for teenagers smoking drugs and playing chicken with cars, but they’ll do this?

I reported anti-social behaviour last summer and I was told “They have to go somewhere, nothing we can do.”

Disgusting response.

@Belinda554

The Peak District is the most used N park in England, most paths make it difficult to socially distance. Have you thought about the pressure on mountain rescue?

I support them.

But this thread is about stopping access to NT properties and threatening non locals with fines.

It's probably vanishingly rare that anyone needs mountain rescue while looking at the fountains at Chatsworth House. They'd just as likely fall over in their own garden and likewise would be helped by normal paramedics. But that would be OK as within the covid rules.