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LivinLaVidaLoki · 27/12/2020 15:01

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Anotherthink · 30/12/2020 10:24

Not looking forward to todays announcement Sad

AcornAutumn · 30/12/2020 10:26

[quote MercyBooth]@AcornAutumn My parents had a really bad flu in the late Sixties. My dad told me about it. They havent had a flu illness since then. Both he and my mum were fine one minute and then around midnight they both got really ill.[/quote]
Sounds like Hong Kong flu, 1968? Absolutely fierce I heard. But dad said if he wasn't HCP he probably wouldn't have known about it, or it would have just seemed like a lot of people you knew were ill that year.

It did lead to one of his more amusing stories...some poor patient in hospital, built like a brick shit house, made his first attempt to get out of bed, fainted, landed squarely on dad, who was a skinny minny, and dad was left under this huge bloke with arms and legs sticking out 😂

Don't worry, the man recovered. But yes, flu is horrendous for many and we don't lose our minds over it.

DominaShantotto · 30/12/2020 10:28

@MaudesMum

Hurrah for the Oxford vaccine, but its just a tad suspicious that the announcement has come out today, when they're about to announce new restrictions. Its going to be very carrot and stick, isn't it?
It's setting us up for a "just another month lockdown" and "light at the end of the tunnel" (with a really shit metaphor thrown in).

I'm fearing the worst.

Nevertoomanyroasties · 30/12/2020 10:29

Having everything crossed they keep primaries and nurseries open. I can't cope otherwise.

I'm sure once the Brexit dust has settled a bit Corona will mysteriously be dropped from the headlines.

ValancyRedfern · 30/12/2020 10:38

@livinlavidaloki I don't think that the end of term jolly at your dcs primary school was typical. Certainly at my school our end of term event was via Zoom from our offices or home. We haven't all been in a room together since March.

amicissimma · 30/12/2020 10:45

@RobinHobb and @BogRollBOGOF, this is the thing.

We keep hearing about how someone had Covid, tested negative, then tested positive again, so 'had it twice, so there's no immunity'. But it seems to me that it means the opposite - that having had it once the person has developed antibodies, or T cells, or some way that their immune system is primed, so when they encounter Covid again, as soon as it enters the nose/throat, the immune system deals with the virus and they end up with a whole load of de-activated viral particles which are picked up on a PCR test. The 'repeat infections' tend to be picked up on routine testing, suggesting that the person hasn't had symptoms again.

We even hear that the PCR picks up viral particles of a different strain, which is taken to show that there is no cross immunity. But I can't see that. It seems to me that unless the person is really unwell again, which happens, but is vanishingly rare, a PCR test picking up Covid again shows that there is immunity, even to a different Covid strain.

And you might expect, if your immune system swung into action on encountering any pathogen that it had met before, that you might feel slightly 'off colour' while it did its work. Or you might not notice. I've had times when I thought I was getting a cold but it never materialised, presumably because my immune system did its job. Was I 'having' that cold? I'd say not.

As for spreading, I suppose there might be a very short period - minutes? hours? while there was live virus while the immune system was dealing with it, but it's likely that for some or most of that time the affected person was still in the place where they re-encountered it, so others would catch it from the original source, rather than people actively neutralising Covid being a serious spreading concern.

Anyway, I'm not an immunologist, but some of the hysterical claims seem to defy what biological knowledge I do have, combined with common sense.

bluebell34567 · 30/12/2020 10:50

thanks LivinLaVidaLoki very sensible approach. i dont like echo chambers either.

TabbyStar · 30/12/2020 10:53

Curlygirl06 How about Astra for your hamster in recognition of Astra Zeneca and the Oxford vaccine!

zigaziga · 30/12/2020 11:10

I think it’s nice to hear some balance from a teacher @ValancyRedfern on here.
I know my close relative who is a secondary school teacher is largely ambivalent. She’s worried about bringing CV home (higher risk household) but she despairs at the damage done to children and damage done to social mobility for the next generation. All in all she says it equals out for her so doesn’t dwell on it.

I wonder at what point we will know about schools? I know they’re saying keeping them open but they said that about Christmas too and they do like to u-turn just at last minute.

The thread that has annoyed me no end is the one asking HCP to tell us what it’s really like to convince all the non-believers. As if it’s not possible to think that a) things are bad in hospitals and b) lockdown costs too much (in so many ways) simultaneously. The basic assumption is that their opinion is the only right one so we must not have the facts and that’s what makes me so angry. I don’t mind the belief that schools should be shut at all I just mind shutting down the debate.
Also why do I need someone’s hypothetical uncle’s half brother online to tell me what it’s like? How many people don’t know someone working in a hospital? I know loads of doctors as I imagine, do many people.

MaudesMum · 30/12/2020 11:10

@rosettesforjill I agree with you if we're thinking logically, but - having seen all the teacher led hysteria on here - I'd be tempted to get teachers all vaccinated asap just to get them to shut up and have no excuses at all to get back to work...

Nevertoomanyroasties · 30/12/2020 11:29

Fwiw I teach hundreds of students (uni) face to face. It's a bit worrying I might get ill but we get sick every year and the students who are all coming back to their accomodation do need some contact with us, most aren't living it up having covid parties, most are on their own in a strange town with no social contact.

rosettesforjill · 30/12/2020 11:29

[quote MaudesMum]@rosettesforjill I agree with you if we're thinking logically, but - having seen all the teacher led hysteria on here - I'd be tempted to get teachers all vaccinated asap just to get them to shut up and have no excuses at all to get back to work...[/quote]
Good point Grin

I work in education though in an office based role, and most of the teachers and leaders I work with are pretty sensible and very keen to keep schools open. I am predicting a complete shambles when it comes to testing thousands of secondary students though. Struggling to see how they're going to recruit enough people to process even a tiny number of tests.

Reedwarbler · 30/12/2020 11:46

Talking about predicting shambles, I think that will be the case with vaccination. The government are 'talking the talk' but, with their organisational track record, I see it happening very slowly, which means it will take ages. I have no faith in anything they do, at all.

smallandimperfectlyformed · 30/12/2020 11:49

Just left my local Facebook group as the admin only ever seems to post about covid. I accept things are bad right now but when one of the locals said that she wanted people to be wearing masks or visors outside, no medical exceptions allowed and if they are exempt they don't want people allowed out. 7 people liked that comment!
If their concerns were about vulnerable people then why are they wanting to make people prisoners in their own homes?

SatanClaus · 30/12/2020 11:54

On the have you broken the rules thread:

"You should change your name to bloodonhands"

The hysteria is a wonderful thing to watch isn't it. I'm nipping into town now, might knock off a few Grandmas later. IDK.

Iheartmysmart · 30/12/2020 11:56

Unfortunately I think you are right @Reedwarbler. Boris will probably find a few of his cronies who have absolutely no clue with regards to logistics and pay them mega bucks to organise it.

Out and about with the dog this morning and there seems to be a new level of hysteria around. People I previously thought of as quite anti dementory have gone completely the other way. We have 7 cases in my area of the town and our hospital certainly isn’t overrun. Apparently it will be v soon though! Wish I’d got a crystal ball for Christmas too.

justasking111 · 30/12/2020 12:00

Winter of 1999 2000 our village had organised a big bun fight in the hall new years eve, on 29th December it was cancelled flu was absolutely rife, so many people struck down. I only remember it because I was pregnant at the time so somewhat nervous. Our NHS was in much better shape then.

news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/6/newsid_2477000/2477943.stm

www.theguardian.com/society/2008/dec/24/health-flu-outbreak

justasking111 · 30/12/2020 12:02

2014-2015 was bad too for excess deaths.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34919149

justasking111 · 30/12/2020 12:05

@Reedwarbler

Talking about predicting shambles, I think that will be the case with vaccination. The government are 'talking the talk' but, with their organisational track record, I see it happening very slowly, which means it will take ages. I have no faith in anything they do, at all.
My dentist and others in our area, are ready to go re vaccinating, they were contacted a few months ago. The woman that jabbed my OH at the local leisure centre where they were doing 1k that day had only just been trained so stuck it in hard like a dart, first one OH had ever had that was painful. So be warned it may hurt a bit more.
RobinHobb · 30/12/2020 12:08

@Recycledblonde

Great news about the Oxford vaccine but why are they waiting until next week to start giving it to people. You cannot tell me the government didn’t have advance warning it was going to be approved. It’s hardly a surprise so why don’t they start giving it tomorrow at least in hospitals to staff? I’m concerned that they’re going to fuck this up too and destroy more lives when they could use this fabulous achievement to get us out of this shit show quickly.
Me too Private sector is so much more efficient. I'm willing to bet if you had a bunch of private sector bods in charge the vaccine would already be in GP practices already and letters sent out to patients for as soon as the regulator announced -
Iheartmysmart · 30/12/2020 12:09

I remember the millennium flu outbreak. Didn’t have it myself but it was rife at work and some people were off for a good few weeks afterwards.

Anyone want a dog? Mine seems to have picked up on my anxiety and is following me around like a little shadow. If I trip over him and die if something other than Covid I will be very pissed off.

ProfessorRadcliffeEmerson · 30/12/2020 12:17

That would be the private sector like Serco, would it, @RobinHobb?

justasking111 · 30/12/2020 12:19

Interesting that this jab will be topped up in 12 weeks rather than three.

Curlygirl06 · 30/12/2020 12:21

@TabbyStar

Curlygirl06 How about Astra for your hamster in recognition of Astra Zeneca and the Oxford vaccine!
Unfortunately that was our dog's name and she died last year but I did consider variations on it.
TheOrchidKiller · 30/12/2020 12:23

The thread that has annoyed me no end is the one asking HCP to tell us what it’s really like to convince all the non-believers
I don't mind people posting their accounts of working in ITU or wherever, if it helps them to deal with their own situation.

But I agree with @zigaziga's comments. I doubt that real "covid deniers" would read that & start "believing".

I read a bit of it & it felt like rubber-necking a nasty accident. The day-to-day grind & stresses of HCPs not working in a hospital doesn't make for such sensational reading though.