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ADs and the hardon colanders

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CruCru · 19/12/2020 17:54

Here’s the new thread.

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MercyBooth · 20/12/2020 18:20

Hes very helpful. Hes devoted hours and hours of free time since March explaining it.

AcornAutumn · 20/12/2020 18:21

[quote MercyBooth]@AcornAutumn

twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1340657292002422784?s=20

Adam Wagner
@AdamWagner1
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A lot of people unclear what a 'support bubble' (in law a "linked household") is. Important as you can lawfully visit and stay with anyone in linked household for Christmas.

They became wider with last regulations

Linked households explained here:[/quote]
Sorry, I meant the dates of 23 to 27 December are now wrong...or are they?

A support bubble, you can stay with any time.

MercyBooth · 20/12/2020 18:25

Yes those dates are now redundant. . Been watching families on the news talking about the money they have spent.

countrygirl99 · 20/12/2020 18:27

By bed time last night our village had a process set up to match excess food to people who those who need it.

AcornAutumn · 20/12/2020 18:28

Has anyone mentioned that those relying on public transport are stuck?

I suppose I mustn’t grumble, I’m expecting them to close it any minute.

AcornAutumn · 20/12/2020 18:28

@countrygirl99

By bed time last night our village had a process set up to match excess food to people who those who need it.
That’s great.
MoltenLasagne · 20/12/2020 18:41

@AcornAutumn

Has anyone mentioned that those relying on public transport are stuck?

I suppose I mustn’t grumble, I’m expecting them to close it any minute.

I thought this, one day of the year where public transport is shut is the only day you're allowed to visit family.

God knows how we're supposed to be moving away from being a car-dependent nation at this rate. I suppose if we're not allowed to go anywhere we won't bother buying cars.

AcornAutumn · 20/12/2020 18:43

Molten in London many don’t have a car to use anyway.

That’s partly why my sister isn’t coming for Christmas now. She can’t travel to or from on Essex day.

AcornAutumn · 20/12/2020 18:44

On Christmas Day! 😂

MercyBooth · 20/12/2020 18:47

Seen the news on the travel bans. Includes freight!! France

TabbyStar · 20/12/2020 18:52

Oh well the freight was going to be stuck anyway because of Brexit, wasn't it.... Confused

MercyBooth · 20/12/2020 18:53

Yeah DH just said "Look a trial run"

amicissimma · 20/12/2020 18:56

@MercyBooth

Seen the news on the travel bans. Includes freight!! France
When I was in a Dutch port a couple of years ago they were busy making arrangements to deal with Brexit. As there were signs up about it I got the impression they were ready to pounce on the business if the French started holding up British freight.

They might get lucky.

TabbyStar · 20/12/2020 18:56

Grin Though it's not really funny....

Maybe I'll put myself on the waiting list for an allotment....

wanderings · 20/12/2020 18:58

I took part in my church's carol service this evening (as a chorister). It was lovely, and I was especially glad to be able to take part, as lots of churches have taken the knee-jerk reaction of cancelling their Christmas services.

AcornAutumn · 20/12/2020 19:05

@wanderings

I took part in my church's carol service this evening (as a chorister). It was lovely, and I was especially glad to be able to take part, as lots of churches have taken the knee-jerk reaction of cancelling their Christmas services.
That’s good

Was it indoors?

wanderings · 20/12/2020 19:43

@AcornAutumn Yes, indoors: limited numbers, only the choir of six allowed to sing, as it has been since the summer. But everyone agreed it was worth it

AcornAutumn · 20/12/2020 19:48

[quote wanderings]@AcornAutumn Yes, indoors: limited numbers, only the choir of six allowed to sing, as it has been since the summer. But everyone agreed it was worth it[/quote]
Glad you did that

No singing round here that I know of. Very sad. Now
Justin Welby advising elderly not to go to church on Christmas Day. Some will listen, though that will have been their only planned company for ages.

MercyBooth · 20/12/2020 19:51

Im in a support bubble but would still be interested to read this. Does anyone here subscribe?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/20/police-say-ban-tier-4-christmas-visits-unenforceable/

Tootletum · 20/12/2020 20:17

Tbh I don't think there was anything else the govt could have done given the numbers. They are the ones who have pivoted everything from deaths to cases. Since they now have huge case numbers, they can't really say "yeah well actually this numbers game was just intended to increase compliance, as explaining exponential growth and our myriad and diverging models for deaths is too hard". I guess it's only my attitude to death that seems to put me at odds with most people. I would have been as sad about the loss of this whole year if I had lost my mother to covid. I wouldn't have thought it was any more worthwhile, any of this. I know someone with long covid, who caught it from church work. I hope she gets better. I'm sad that people have died, death is almost always sad. Still don't see how we've dropped the bar this low, to have lost all freedom for a death rate that is not high, whichever way you try to spin the numbers. But if I say that it's all "ooh aren't you heartless". If accepting death is heartless, yes. A nurse wrote some heartstrings post about someone dying of covid, slipping slowly away on morphine. I'd have given anything for my father to have died in comfort, and not alone, but many deaths are far, far more brutal.

Jourdain11 · 20/12/2020 20:22

I read this, and also that they are not planning vehicle stops and door-to-door visits.

As Jacob Rees-Mogg said, before he became an Arm of the Executive, "an Englishman's home is his castle"...

Charles Walker (who I like, even though he's a Tory) has been speaking again today. Said he believed the government had planned to take this decision already mid-week but didn't want to take it to a vote in the House. Also said that he was appalled by the treatment of peaceful protestors and said that Matt Hancock should be offering his resignation and the PM should accept it.

The irony is that I bet that the likes of BoJo and Rees Mogg would be right in with this "Covid Recovery Group" if they were not, uhm, the government. I don't know that Johnson actually believes in anything that he's doing, which must actually make it harder for him!! Mind you, I'm not convinced that he believes in anything, full stop. Gove, OTOH, is like one of those Shakespearean characters who have too much ambition. And Matt Hancock is, to use my DH's favourite expression, "a jobsworth".

AcornAutumn · 20/12/2020 20:22

Tootletum “ Tbh I don't think there was anything else the govt could have done given the numbers. They are the ones who have pivoted everything from deaths to cases.”

But they are ones who did that. If they calmed down, stop ordering mass testing etc, people would calm down. Even now. They could get the media to stop the melodrama. It seems, according to OFCOM, they encourage it.

No offence, I’m just puzzled that anyone can still be thinking it’s incompetence when the screws are tightened after 9 months and the profits of government friends are well up.

justasking111 · 20/12/2020 20:22

OH had a melt down tonight, this afternoon eldest son brought an old school friend into the house. Then tonight youngest said he was getting a lift to Chester tomorrow to visit the zoo. OH exploded that he was 70 and high risk and he could not go. DS went upstairs Ifollowed him up he was crying. 19 and reduced to tears. I explained that dad was just plain scared and had lashed out because son would not let it go, kept arguing. Gawd I am pissed off with this covid.

AcornAutumn · 20/12/2020 20:24

Jourdain “ Charles Walker (who I like, even though he's a Tory) has been speaking again today. Said he believed the government had planned to take this decision already mid-week but didn't want to take it to a vote in the House. Also said that he was appalled by the treatment of peaceful protestors and said that Matt Hancock should be offering his resignation and the PM should accept it. ”

I think that’s really interesting about Hancock. I didn’t think anyone in government wanted Hancock to resign though Walker seems a good un.

I’m sure there will be other MPs who think they’ve been had. But they approved the continuation of the Coronavirus Act, so if they were genuinely against moves like this, they would not have backed it.