ADs and the hardon colanders

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@mightbealittlebitmad

Despite the new rules we weren't going to change our plans, we were visiting my parents on Christmas Eve and leaving Boxing Day but they are convinced that we will get landed with a £10,000 fine because someone will report us or the cameras on the motorway will pick us up and send us a fine that way.

It's a good 2 hour drive and actually I wouldn't put it past the government to have people scrutinising the cameras or setting up patrols on the motorway to hand out fines so maybe we should just stay at home.

No idea when we will see them next, probably not until Easter if we are allowed. It's just not sustainable to keep families apart long term like this. We can't keep shutting down the country every few weeks, something has to give and soon.

I’ll be driving home from work along the M3 on Christmas morning. Quite looking forward to sending any fine to our MP (Gove) and telling him to stuff it up his loathsome spotty behind(I’m old enough to channel my inner Monty Python) I’m so cross and sad at the moment I would happily insert it personally.

When my DD got it Lost my attitude was great, let's get this over with. I'm in my early 50s but physically fit, and although there was an infintessimally small possibly that I would die a lonely and painful death on a ventilator, in reality I don't tend to get respiratory infections, and in fact it didn't make me ill. It's meant now I can be much more relaxed around my DM when she needs help.

It is going to be utter chaos in January, isn't it (if it isn't already)? What with Brexit and Covid. I have a feeling that Boris will also desert the sinking ship by Easter. I think I would be battening down the hatches even without coronavirus, just peeping out from time to time to see if things were improving.
@Lostinacloud I agree with you, if this new variant (and there have been many, many mutations of the original covid virus; this is nothing new) is so good at spreading (allegedly) then bring it on, the more that get it, the better, because it will run out of steam quicker.
I think many people will just ignore the latest proclamation (and how can it actually get into law so quickly anyway?), but Boris, by introducing 'tier 4' now means that, if there is a surge after xmas, can put the blame back on the populace for not 'obeying' rather than the populace blaming him for allowing a christmas break. Very sneaky.

Here's what I don't get, the rules have always stated that you had to bubble with the same two other households.

So you've got the exact same level of contact but now for 1 day instead of 5. How in buggery does that change the risk? It's still the same group of people meeting, they're still going to stick to whatever rules they personally felt comfortable with on distance, they're still going to be in the same house even.

The only risk I can see changing on this is a massive up tick risk in traffic accidents caused by roads being massively busy Christmas Day, and a hugely increased likelihood of people drink driving because "they only had one sherry" but you couldn't possibly stay over and come back boxing day morning.

Obviously this is not counting tier 4 who I just feel awful for.

for everyone who has just had their Christmas plans royally fucked up by Boris, everyone struggling today and those now in tier 4. Can’t bring myself to watch the news or turn the radio on but talking to people out walking my dog this morning it feels like there is an air of anger rather than acceptance this time. Bring on the riots!

Watched Boris and co on tv yesterday and feel totally flat.
However, on the bbc news afterwards one of the reporters - Fergus maybe? - added a bit of sanity to the proceedings when talking about the new strain. He was saying don’t panic about the mutation, it’s what viruses do and quite often become less viralent. So less severe symptoms?

Let's face it, a more virulent but milder strain simply goes into the category of normal, seasonal respiritory illness.

Pretty much this time last year, DS1's class has a third of children off ill with various colds and snifflre. DS was in bed for a week with I-don't-know-what, but he wasn't himself for weels and not 100% for a couple of months. No one batted an eyelid at so many children being the worse for wear.

Feel completely flat this morning... it was just going to be us on Christmas Day anyway but my sister and her family were coming round on Boxing Day so presumably that’s cancelled.. and I was going to drive to Exeter to do my Santa impression with ds1 and his girlfriend the following day. No idea when I’m going to see him next - I’ve only seen him for one weekend since he went back to uni last January.

DD’s in pieces as it looks almost certain that her lovely horse can no longer be ridden - we’ve been looking for another but the one she fell in love with failed the vetting and now everything is just so much more complicated plus trying to find a retirement livery without being able to travel. She’ll probably lose her Saturday job (again .. 3rd time now) and all she has to look forward to is mocks in January - yay...

I’ve barely seen my other sister who lives in the next road as her teenage son is a total dementor despite having zero risk factors. My friends are scattered across the AD-D continuum and I have let many of my friendships drift this year (not that I had many friends to start with) as everything is so much more of an effort now.

Just thoroughly fed up ... I should be taking the dog for a walk but we’re just having a cuddle on the sofa instead. Dh is not being much help - he always has 2 or 3 obsessions on the go - cycling has been a constant for years now and recently he’s added sourdough bread-making and learning Spanish into the mix - and as far as he’s concerned, having a lazy morning is a sign of a deep moral flaw instead of a coping mechanism...

Greetings from Tier 4: Tiers For Fears.

Sorry to all who are suffering, raging and despairing, and any combination of the three. Nothing I can add that hasn’t already been said by more eloquent posters than me but believe me I’m reading your words and hearing you.

One of the irritating downsides of being on antidepressants is that I can’t cry easily. I don’t know why exactly, I suppose the emotional hormonal response that triggers it is partially blocked or something. It’s just cathartic sometimes to have a good sob and I find it very difficult these days. I think the last time I cried was weeks ago. I really want a good cry this morning and I can’t.

This is useful - https://www.cogconsortium.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Report-1COG-UKK19-December-2020SARS-CoV-2-Mutations.pdf

From what I can work out the main mutation is in relation to how's it binds to ACE2 receptors, so I presume more tenacious in entering the body, but then no difference to its effects once it's there, but there's still a lot of info not known.

"So you've got the exact same level of contact but now for 1 day instead of 5. How in buggery does that change the risk? It's still the same group of people meeting, they're still going to stick to whatever rules they personally felt comfortable with on distance, they're still going to be in the same house even."
Exactly this!

I never thought I would feel slightly grateful to be in tier 3.

It is incompetence. Unfortunately they have gone with making policy based on numbers of cases & worse-case scenarios, they are too chicken to try a different strategy because they don't like to be seen backing down over policies. Well, it's not working as a vote-winner, or as a strategy for managing a virus.

@NastyBlouse, Tear4 here too. I am sorry you are struggling.

My dad in his late eighties, very frail is now left alone for Christmas, no food in as he’d planned to be away, no slots for grocery deliveries now. I’d had some booked but cancelled them on Friday.

It’s awful.

Does your dad not qualify for some company under the vulnerable exemptions?

It’s complicated and he’s also now been scared by Nicola, as have the relatives he was to bubble with. He could be their extended household but they’ve been terrified.

I'm so sorry. That's awful. Your poor father.

@WouldBeGood

My dad in his late eighties, very frail is now left alone for Christmas, no food in as he’d planned to be away, no slots for grocery deliveries now. I’d had some booked but cancelled them on Friday.

It’s awful.

Please tell me some neighbours can get him food?

Re the new strain, yes, it is good news, except it won’t be treated as such but used as a tool to further tyranny.

Re backlash against NHS - I no longer want it and my dad was proud to work there for 45 years, so that’s quite a dedication they’ve managed to help me let go of.

But in reality I still have to pay NI. A backlash can’t be a thing unless we actively campaign to get rid of it and I’d still want it to provide essential care. Which I think was the original job, now way out of hand...

Anyone else get an inkling of how the USSR controlled it's citizens and others? So sad not be to seeing my tier 4 family but I don't want to risk a massive fine or for neighbours to snitch on us.

Easier to comply isn't it?

We've been planning how to swap presents en masse.... all agreed we will wait until it's warm enough to meet at a NT place. Wearing Christmas hats and blasting Mariah Carey.

@BogRollBOGOF

Let's face it, a more virulent but milder strain simply goes into the category of normal, seasonal respiritory illness.

Pretty much this time last year, DS1's class has a third of children off ill with various colds and snifflre. DS was in bed for a week with I-don't-know-what, but he wasn't himself for weels and not 100% for a couple of months. No one batted an eyelid at so many children being the worse for wear.

Bogroll, that sounds very similar to the story up north where 3 local schools had to close. Around that time I've never been so ill in my life.

Can I ask whether you've since had many cases of coronavirus at the school?

@MeanMum2

Anyone else get an inkling of how the USSR controlled it's citizens and others? So sad not be to seeing my tier 4 family but I don't want to risk a massive fine or for neighbours to snitch on us.

Easier to comply isn't it?

I have put up a link to the new law but I can’t see how much the fines are.

I think they mostly don’t hold up in court.

Mass disobedience would cause the courts to collapse and all cases would be thrown out?

Btw what did I miss, why are colanders giving people hardons! 😂

Is it worth dropping a line to local MP pointing out how new Xmas rules discriminate against people who don’t own cars?

"It would be inhumane to cancel Christmas." So he did.

Let those words haunt him until his dying day.

When are we going to see some light at the end of this eternal tunnel?
"We can turn this virus around in twelve weeks" was long enough. And then there will be the misery of years of recession, mass unemployment, our children paying the cost of this for decades to come, lockdowns becoming a way of life (I do foresee this as a very real danger; the public baying for lockdown when there's a bad flu season, aided and abetted by the media, now that the monumental precedent of lockdown has been set), all while the smug politicians are creaming it in.