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NannyGythaOgg · 10/12/2020 16:01

... whilst waiting to see if the kids are or are not going to school next week and walking with imaginary cows.

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flower11 · 12/12/2020 17:46

Jourdain- you are brave going over there. Hope you are feeling better soon and can get back to your lovely dc.

BogRoll hope your dc has a great birthday with his friend.

Thanks for all the thoughts and comments about school, both dc are primary, youngest is 5.

I have another covid test for work tomorrow .

(every 5 days now) so will see how that goes and take it from there. Everyone has been negative so far.

AcornAutumn · 12/12/2020 17:48

Just catching up

Dowser sorry about your holiday
And thank you for your suggestions. Oddly enough I was looking at aromatherapy for other reasons and want to get some oils so will look at all of yours, much appreciated

ISaySteadyOn · 12/12/2020 17:48

Agree. I think that's why no one considered MH before locking down.

RobinHobb · 12/12/2020 17:50

@Jourdain11

I got stroppy on a Covid thread so I'm now preparing to be flamed, lol. I questioned the reality of This Terrible Disease. But the comments about Long Covid, and The Vulnerable, really wound me up!

My reply was...

I take a bit of an issue with some of the statements here.

  1. "The vulnerable" have to be careful of infections and illnesses in normal times. The big scare about Covid has given rise to a lot of disproportionate fear and anxiety in many clinically vulnerable people. In reality, the steps they take to protect themselves in usual times would probably have been sufficient in many, if not most cases.
  1. "It’s not just the 'vulnerable' who have been ravaged by this illness. It’s health and social care staff, teachers, shop workers."
Just so that you are aware, many of "the vulnerable" work and you will find them in all these professions!! They're not all sat at home being a drain on society.
  1. "Lots of young, fit people have Long Covid": this seems to be thrown around as a new means of making people feel personally threatened in order to scare them into submission. I'm not denying that post viral Covis syndrome exists, but I feel that there needs to be some robust research around this. Which symptoms can be used to make a diagnosis? What proportion of people is it affecting? Is there a way to mitigate against it in the early stages? Is the incidence of post-viral symptoms/complications higher in Covid than in other viral illnesses?

Do you think I'll get called an anti-vaxxer and a covidiot? Wink

This is excellent
Justgivemewine · 12/12/2020 18:00

@ wandering, your 2nd paragraph just reminded me, I read a post a couple of days ago (can’t remember if it was mn or fb) suggesting we should be wearing masks and isolating/locking/SD down for a while every winter as it’s been proven to save people from flu too.

No, just No 🤯

AcornAutumn · 12/12/2020 18:05

Just wanted to update you all on my lunch out experience

The TL;DR version is that being out and seeing my friend didn’t make me feel as much better as I thought it would, though I felt pathetically relieved to see her.

The fuller version (and my comments are not criticisms, just observations)

The restaurant was really struggling and had a very limited food offer. The chef came out and apologised. There was no need to, but we ended up having a nice chat. He was explaining that it was really tough anyway and ordering food when you have no idea what’s happening but have seen bookings plummet, is very difficult, especially with fresh food of course. And the irony is, they have a lovely bar, and all the cocktail stuff will keep, but they can’t serve it without food!

He also said that due to the possibility of Tier 3 approaching, they’d opted to order a minimum and close on Monday and Tuesday as they are quieter days anyway.

Apparently they’re getting more walk ins than bookings. I didn’t say this to him but I wonder if that’s because it’s easier to give fake details that way?

My friend was quite annoyed because she’d wanted the full restaurant experience so to speak, whereas I’d expected it all to be a bit strange.

The staff were lovely, the meal was lovely, they’ve decorated the place beautifully so they were doing their best.

My friend is in a tough spot at the moment - unemployed and father having chemo - so I understand that she’s not thinking too rationally.

On that basis, we’re supposed to go to a gallery one day this week but I’m not sure I want to, I’m half hoping she’ll cancel. I think the fact that I will have my exemptions lanyard on might cause issues for us both and I’m not sure if gallery staff are shooing people along or what. Potentially have to explain exemptions three times - at entry, in shop, then in cafe.

But it’s also partly that the whole experience of trekking into town is very unpleasant as well. It’s so sad, I was sick of the flat but now leaving the flat feels like a horrible challenge. I was glad to get home.

My friend also said to me “the vaccine is the only way out of this”. I’m realising that everything people say is very nuanced and people change their minds every five minutes. But I couldn’t help saying “I think there’s an option for proper infection control and calming down”.

It is like covid infects every conversation.

On the way home, I was thinking, I still feel it’s not healthy that my only company is an 82 year old, but perhaps seeking out more company is not the answer anyway.

If you read all of that thanks, you deserve a cocktail 😂

ISaySteadyOn · 12/12/2020 18:24

@AcornAutumn, Flowers. The exemption thing is so anxiety producing. It should be normal not to wear a mask.

Jourdain11 · 12/12/2020 18:35

@RobinHobb thank you, I'm glad that someone doesn't think that I'm a raving nutter! It surprises me that there is still so little talk/advice on what to do if you get Covid. Inevitably people are going to get it, and surely by now, enough people have for there to be some medical evidence on what to do to prevent mild cases from becoming anything else. Fluids, eat/not eat, vitamins to promote a healthy immune response, stay in bed or move around, breathing exercises perhaps?

In good news, it looks like I will get home tomorrow! And not a moment too soon. DH took the kids to the shops today because they were so deadly bored and it wasn't an unmitigated success. DD1 got very stressed out by all the people and noise, needed the toilet and there was a queue and had a panic attack, meltdown situation. She's not in a very good way this evening and DH thinks it may be best to keep her off school for a couple of days at least. But that's dependent on me being let out of the Covid Pit!!

Jourdain11 · 12/12/2020 18:37

@AcornAutumn Flowers people have been so shitty about exemptions! So much for the #BeKind society we are apparently supposed to live in.

MissEWeatherwax · 12/12/2020 18:38

Our local university must have herd immunity.
That’s awful NannyGythaOgg Flowers to your friend.
It’s funny how all other illnesses have disappeared. No meningitis etc.
I just feel very flat, but with underlying anger.

TheOrchidKiller · 12/12/2020 18:48

@AcornAutumn
I'm sorry your trip out fell short. I get what you mean about wanting more company than your mum, but not wanting a dementory, miserable experience if you go elsewhere. Also, if you're wearing a lanyard it really should be no one's business why you're not wearing a mask. We don't ask each person in a wheelchair if they really are disabled!

Cocktails sound like a nice idea.

AcornAutumn · 12/12/2020 18:53

[quote TheOrchidKiller]@AcornAutumn
I'm sorry your trip out fell short. I get what you mean about wanting more company than your mum, but not wanting a dementory, miserable experience if you go elsewhere. Also, if you're wearing a lanyard it really should be no one's business why you're not wearing a mask. We don't ask each person in a wheelchair if they really are disabled!

Cocktails sound like a nice idea.[/quote]
It wasn’t dementors or miserable

It was just....escapism with a DVD is maybe better? There is no escaping the horrible world once you leave your home.

TheOrchidKiller · 12/12/2020 18:59

It wasn’t dementors or miserable

It was just....escapism with a DVD is maybe better? There is no escaping the horrible world once you leave your home
Ah, I see. Then maybe a DVD or something diverting is what you need, something that is not going to make any reference to covid & gives some respite from it?

AcornAutumn · 12/12/2020 19:01

@TheOrchidKiller

It wasn’t dementors or miserable

It was just....escapism with a DVD is maybe better? There is no escaping the horrible world once you leave your home
Ah, I see. Then maybe a DVD or something diverting is what you need, something that is not going to make any reference to covid & gives some respite from it?

Yes but my frustration is how many months of that I’ve already done.

Sorry, I’m just moaning now. I had just hoped that a meal out would be nice.

There must be some speakeasy places around, I just don’t know how to find them!

Lostinacloud · 12/12/2020 19:03

Omg I’m feeling so pissed off with the coronavirus posts today. I am in total agreement with you @Jourdain11 and have also previously attempted to suggest that long before covid people were actually capable of protecting vulnerable people against other risky diseases. In fact, as recently as last Christmas, we uninvited my DGM from the big family get together at new year because my parents had just had a flu like illness (maybe even covid) and we didn’t want to risk passing it to her. Who knew that several members of my family had the good sense to calculate their own idea of risk to my DGM and take the necessary action! Hmm
I’m also so fed up with this incessant belief that a) anybody of any age or health status will immediately die or end up on a ventilator if they caught covid and b) that every single person you will ever meet is a walking covid harbouring disease spreader and so nobody can ever mix ever again, including with your own family at Christmas.
Absolutely so sick of it and also mega pissed off that due to the endless shitty restrictions and stupid quarantine rules that I can’t see any of my family at Christmas time because we are currently living in France.

Lostinacloud · 12/12/2020 19:10

While I’m having a rant...can everybody else please hurry up and question exactly wtf is going on. When in the history of ever have we quarantined healthy people? It’s utterly ludicrous and I can’t believe governments have got away with convincing people to do just that for so long.

AcornAutumn · 12/12/2020 19:16

@Lostinacloud

While I’m having a rant...can everybody else please hurry up and question exactly wtf is going on. When in the history of ever have we quarantined healthy people? It’s utterly ludicrous and I can’t believe governments have got away with convincing people to do just that for so long.
Sorry, that ship sailed.

Only a small minority f us have been questioning this for months now.

The propaganda has worked - my side has lost and I have to process that

Unless there’s a sudden u turn

Mum is amazed, she’s saying “there were riots for poll tax but not this?”

Jourdain11 · 12/12/2020 19:24

DH said the same, re. the impending putting of London into Tier 3. "Cases don't actually mean sick people." Not to mention the putting of whole classes into isolation for two weeks in schools, because of one positive test.

Anyone remember Jess Phillips dumping her child on the steps of No. 10 because the schools were closing on Friday afternoon for lack of funding? Do you think she'll leave him there for 2 weeks if his class are sent home for isolation? Hmm

mightbealittlebitmad · 12/12/2020 19:25

@Lostinacloud

While I’m having a rant...can everybody else please hurry up and question exactly wtf is going on. When in the history of ever have we quarantined healthy people? It’s utterly ludicrous and I can’t believe governments have got away with convincing people to do just that for so long.
This is what really frustrates me. So many people stuck at home not allowed out for no reason other than being near someone who tested positive. I really don't believe that this virus is somehow so super special that every single person with no symptoms is spreading it everywhere they go.

I'm visiting my parents at Christmas, my household of 4 including the germy kids and my 2 parents. If any of us come down with anything suspicious we will cancel but otherwise we are going. Me and the kids spent a whole week with them in the summer and all of us miraculously survived, not even a sniffle to be had from any of us after. Granted the rates are higher and I am from a "dangerous" Tier 3 area but none of us are worried at all or will be changing our behaviour. I may hug my mum and they will definitely hug the kids.

I'm so frustrated that they can get away with destroying people, their lives, businesses, mental health and have people begging for more.

I've given up following any of the rules, my friend comes round for coffee or I go to hers and we let the kids play. We are fully aware that we could be harbouring the virus and don't know it and we could be unlucky enough to end up in hospital but we think it's all a risk we are willing to take for the sake of our sanity.

AcornAutumn · 12/12/2020 19:28

Call me cynical

Is the testing of school children partly because they didn’t get the scary results they wanted from other mass testing?

Sorry, I’m being a pain today

I feel weird

Yesterday I was all “right, I’m going to pull myself together, and stop eating so much junk”. Now I’m already thinking “why bother and shall I do a late night shop to get some more junk food back in the flat”.

mightbealittlebitmad · 12/12/2020 19:34

@AcornAutumn

Call me cynical

Is the testing of school children partly because they didn’t get the scary results they wanted from other mass testing?

Sorry, I’m being a pain today

I feel weird

Yesterday I was all “right, I’m going to pull myself together, and stop eating so much junk”. Now I’m already thinking “why bother and shall I do a late night shop to get some more junk food back in the flat”.

Wouldn't surprise me. I drank a whole bottle of prosecco last night and pretty much set to sink another one tonight. That's on top of what I've already polished off this week. I'm angry, fed up, frustrated and missing work. Evenings hanging around the house are no good for me at all, I need to be back at work.
MercyBooth · 12/12/2020 19:37

@mightbealittlebitmad Me too. My parents are 84 and my 25 yr old niece lives with them and works as an escort on school transport for SEN children (hope ive worded that right) The children she escorts are in much smaller bubbles but if for some reason she is told to self isolate i will be contacting our MP and demanding that alternative accomodation is found for her away from my parents. Of course as the Gov and SAGE are so adamant at the danger then im sure this will be found toot suite!! Because if its so dangerous that i cant go over there then its too dangerous for her to isolate there with my parents. You cant have it both ways SAGE. If they were really serious more would have been done to find accomodation for those in multi generational households. But no thats too much like hard work.

Much easier to keep wanting it both ways and keep bullying the public.

TheOrchidKiller · 12/12/2020 19:39

Yes but my frustration is how many months of that I’ve already done.
I know. I should know better. It's what I call, "Oh not another bloody jigsaw" syndrome.

Sorry, I’m just moaning now. I had just hoped that a meal out would be nice.
No need to apologise.

There must be some speakeasy places around, I just don’t know how to find them!
Grin Ask Boris?

MercyBooth · 12/12/2020 19:39

@AcornAutumn Christmas lockdown by stealth.

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