ADs trying to stay upright in a muddy park

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Another thousand posts filled and we're ploughing on through another weekend of squelching through parks before we hit the Long Dark Teatime of the Soul.

The AD chat continues...

Dammit quote didnt work that was re Gove coming to Scotland.

I now have the spaghetti western music in my head. And a stand-off between Gove and Queen Nic at the border... ponchos at dawn

Hi everyone!
Sorry to see so many people feeling so down. for you all.

@misseweatherwax they don't care about the poor, or the disabled or the vulnerable. They just want to exploit them for their own purposes.

One of my DB is paralysed. He is currently in a care home. Because of his level of paralysis he is vulnerable to respiratory infection as he cannot cough productively.

I've a cousin who is a full on dementor who posted on Facebook yesterday that they are "staying in and masking up to protect the vulnerable" then went on about how they couldn't face it if they passed it on to someone they loved and cared about like my DB (then went on about how he's disabled and living in a care home).

Loads of likes, comments and people telling them they're amazing.

I just commented "you'd be very unlucky to give him covid seeing as you haven't visited him since he moved in there 3 years ago, or for the period he was in the spinal unit,or after his surgery in the hospital. Please stop exploiting my brother for likes, comments and your own virtue signalling.

Then before I know it, I'm the one inundated with angry PMs from strangers and comments telling me I'm "unhinged", a "covid denier" and how cousin is the kindest, most considerate person...

Honestly, I feel like my thinking is all upside down.

Also, I notice that the now traditional "govt scientists preaching about the next wave as the restrictions are being eased" has begun.....

@MissEWeatherwax Have you watched The Boys on Prime yet? I finished it the other week and really enjoyed.

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Hi everyone! Sorry to see so many people feeling so down. for you all.

@misseweatherwax they don't care about the poor, or the disabled or the vulnerable. They just want to exploit them for their own purposes.

One of my DB is paralysed. He is currently in a care home. Because of his level of paralysis he is vulnerable to respiratory infection as he cannot cough productively.

I've a cousin who is a full on dementor who posted on Facebook yesterday that they are "staying in and masking up to protect the vulnerable" then went on about how they couldn't face it if they passed it on to someone they loved and cared about like my DB (then went on about how he's disabled and living in a care home).

Loads of likes, comments and people telling them they're amazing.

I just commented "you'd be very unlucky to give him covid seeing as you haven't visited him since he moved in there 3 years ago, or for the period he was in the spinal unit,or after his surgery in the hospital. Please stop exploiting my brother for likes, comments and your own virtue signalling.

Then before I know it, I'm the one inundated with angry PMs from strangers and comments telling me I'm "unhinged", a "covid denier" and how cousin is the kindest, most considerate person...

Honestly, I feel like my thinking is all upside down.

You're not the one who is thinking upside-down

Playing the "I care so much" card when your actions don't is a low trick. Insulting people via DMs for calling them out on it is despicable.

@LivinLaVidaLoki yes, even Tim Spector is in in that one, and I usually rate him as a reasonably sensible voice.

for those struggling right now.

Good on you Loki for calling out the cousin! That took some guts. I’m sure for the people sending you arsehole messages there are 5x as many silently reading the exchange and rolling their eyes at her.

All the dementors sure seem to care about the vulnerable a lot more than they ever did. Will they be nervous to visit family in coming post CV vaccine years with all the other myriad of bugs they could pass on to an elderly person?

Did they care about spreading killer flu in 2018?
Did I notice a significantly bad year for flu?
Oops.

As an aside, I was thinking last night about how people get shot down for comparing covid to flu....or even mentioning flu in the same sentence.
The main reason being "even in a bad flu year the deaths are only (insert no. here)". But vulnerable people and people with underlying and chronic health conditions are vaccinated against various strains of flu. So without vaccination that number would be MASSIVE would it not? So really they are quite similar?
Or is my thinking still upside down? Sorry had about 3 hours sleep last night so....

@LivinLaVidaLoki I came to the conclusion a long time ago that there are myriad people who are incapable of independent thought, and a fair few of those are terminally thick. Their 'thoughts' as such are visible for all to see on Facebook.

My stepfather's sitting there calculating the numbers versus the restrictions for blooming Christmas - my mum is like "Domina is going to do whatever she's got planned - haven't you realised this by now?"

We had DD2 in floods of tears last night - took a while to get to the bottom of it with her communication issues - but basically she's being left to completely flounder at school because the teacher and TA won't go near them to support them, her writing slope lid's fallen off again and they're leaving a bunch of 7 year olds to try to sort it out themselves and organise DD2. The kid has been shoved in the corner as an inconvenience - the way kids with any difficulty were dealt with back in the 1980s when I was at school (I had a desk around a corner on my own for an entire year - these days I'd probably get an ASD + dyspraxia diagnosis but back then I was just a brat who needed to be squashed down)

@LivinLaVidaLoki you were very brave, I’m a wimp. Well done for calling it out. Social media is all about the likes.
@bakingcupcakes I haven’t got Prime yet, my friend was telling me The boys is brilliant, but very dark and gory. I’m not sure if I can justify more spending on tv. There is already a dint in sofa from my tv viewing
I think we will be getting Prime and Disney for Christmas. I will never leave the sofa again.Plus Dean from Supernatural is coming to The Boys, so will definitely have to watch

Saw this on Bojos Instagram this morning....hand sanitiser out for Santa? Errrrr

Domina on the zoom parents evening some of the teachers mentioned the same thing, they can;t come over to help and urging DC to put their hands up and ask. Ours are older though. I felt at the time it was a bit off...not quite the same is it

The worst I saw from dementors recently was a thread where someone mentioned their elderly parent had come to terms with the possibility of covid and done a DNR and would only be having palliative care

They had the response that that was selfish and still demanding of NHS care! It was horrible. Do they not know many people die every day and to say people should forfeit palliative care...which can often just be a box of meds for use by relatives in many cases...to 'save the NHS' was just bizarre and the lack of empathy as well...

This is quite interesting, Chris Whitty

www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4235

Notice how he mentions bad flu years go unnoticed, the numbers.. and the harms of covid not being just about the virus itself etc etc.

In particular the last paragraph-

How will the pandemic end?

"I don’t think that the virus is going to disappear. We’ll get medical countermeasures—drugs, vaccines, or other things—and they’ll help us de-risk it significantly. But I think we’ll have covid circulating, and it may become like seasonal flu. It may become like seasonal adenovirus. It might become something which is rather less seasonal. There are a variety of ways it could play out.

But I think that its impact on society, its impact on mortality, and its existential threat to medical practice in the wider sense—the stopping us from doing all the other elements of health—will fade, as we get on top of it with the medical countermeasures.

The medical countermeasures will make this a manageable problem, just as HIV is now a manageable problem. When I was a doctor in southern Africa a third of people my age had it, and it was 100% mortality. Now HIV is still a very serious threat, but it is much, much less a threat than it was. I’m not equating HIV and covid as diseases—they’re very different—but they are two infectious diseases that have had a massive impact on society, where medical science and medical practice will reduce the risk such that the impact on society will be much smaller—without being able to say that it’ll be completely gone. Because I don’t think “completely gone” is a realistic goal for this or most other infections."

Wonder what level of abuse can be reached, just been told I am an 'abusive othering cunt' and that I think 'it is OK for people to die.'

Because I mentioned some people dying of covid are obese and unhealthy but being reported as fit and healthy in the press.

Which is just a factual statement but obviously not up for discussion.

Sorry a 'heartless' cunt..

@Orangeblossom7777

Wonder what level of abuse can be reached, just been told I am an 'abusive othering cunt' and that I think 'it is OK for people to die.'

Because I mentioned some people dying of covid are obese and unhealthy but being reported as fit and healthy in the press.

Which is just a factual statement but obviously not up for discussion.

I saw similar when a local paper reported "fit and healthy" man in his 40s dies of covid. Someone commented "I think we have very different ideas of what constitutes fit and healthy" and they were torn to absolute shreds.

@orangeblossom7777
""I don’t think that the virus is going to disappear. We’ll get medical countermeasures—drugs, vaccines, or other things—and they’ll help us de-risk it significantly. But I think we’ll have covid circulating, and it may become like seasonal flu. It may become like seasonal adenovirus"

Yet when any one of us has made that statement or assumption we have been called "ignorant", "thick" and had various passive aggressive insults thrown away.

I do find it interesting that Whitty says these things, but never when he's up there on the downing Street podium of doom with the other 2.....

That reminds me, some GPs got abuse as well for even daring to discuss it could be lifestyle related

www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2623

This really annoys me. I’m fat and trying to tackle it so I don’t Sadly Die cos I’m obese. A few of these sadly death young(ish) featured in papers here have clearly not been fit and healthy in a normally accepted sense. It’s just more fear generating bollocks.

My mum's very obese (and short which seems to make it worse!) and I have inherited this tendency (my excuse) wonder if they knew this would be reaction be different. Who cares eh. It is a worry- I keep an eye on things like cholesterol and blood sugar via the GP as some meds can make these things worse, do yearly checks and think metabolic health may make a difference.

for everybody.

If it is lifestyle related, then how on earth does taking away places to improve lifestyle help?

And I think there is a difference between making personal remarks (been reading my Alice) and discussing health. But the two have gotten conflated somehow.