Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Am I causing this or is this him?! Head spinning

143 replies

Titleday · 08/11/2020 12:34

Met someone about 4 months ago, after the first date he was very upfront and said he didn’t want us to date others while we see how things go with us. Fine, I actually liked this and i agreed to it. Straightforward.

He lives an hour from me in the village he grew up in, in a house opposite his parents. It’s a nice road, nice house, he has a good job and a lot of money (relevant). I recently learned that he ended up moving out of a friend’s flat in his first year of uni because he wanted to move back home and commute in. Nothing particularly unusual about this I don’t think but he seems absolutely welded to where he lives and always has done. He’s close to his family but not in a strange way.

Getting to the issue...he is quite intense. For example if I suggest missing a phone call one night (because I’m tired and it’s nice to speak to him when I have more to say!), he doesn’t respond well and it clearly bothers him. He will push for a call and usually I just do it, other times I stand my ground and we say goodnight and I find in the morning he has sent another 5 or 6 messages (all nice stuff), after I have gone to sleep.

If I don’t answer a text for a while he will ask if I am ok - I would do this too I guess if I’m used to regular texting. But sometimes he has been known to send 10 messages or more when I’ve not even had chance to read or reply to the first one! I’ve mentioned this to him, he says he understands but literally nothing changes.

We’ve had the odd meal where I’ve been on my phone while he’s been in the bathroom...I’m just browsing while on my own at the table. He comes back and he’s in a strange mood, find out in the car he thinks I’m messaging other men. To be fair I still have a dating app on my phone at this point, only because I hadn’t deleted it! I hadn’t even thought about it as I don’t use it, I explained this to him and even offered to show him the messages so he could see the last time I had used it. He was in a weird mood and said I was messing him around.

Another time after we had been to the cinema we didn’t know the way back so I got it up on google maps and the road wasn’t clear, he got very cross suddenly and I was taken aback.

He’s dropped me at my house a few times and will often comment that the area ‘looks like a council estate compared to where he lives.’ It doesn’t, it’s just a city not a village and I worked hard for my house here on a nice road.

When I suggested we slow things as a result of the above(cut down calls and meet less) , his response went from one moment saying he absolutely didn’t want that, to saying if I did that then he would be gone and his feelings would disappear. It was like we could actually talk about it properly. I confided in him about my tricky relationship with my mum and he has used this in an argument with me, randomly saying ‘oh and I’m sick of hearing about your weird relationship with your mum.’ I’ve mentioned it twice maybe... these things are only said when he’s angry or upset that I’ve suggested we take a step back and cool down, the rest of the time he’s lovely. He claims that me suggesting we take a step back is psychotic and weird and he can’t live like that. All I wanted was to have more space and feel like I miss him, no matter how I try and explain this he goes from very upset and hurt to lashing out. Even if we skipped one phone call I think it would help! I’m not asking for a massive cut down.

Other than this he is totally the ideal man in the sense that we get on and laugh together, want similar things. Is this me? I am being difficult here and harsh to him and causing him to behave like this?

OP posts:
Ophelia2020 · 08/11/2020 13:41

Enough with the ideal man talk.

He's an angry controlling weirdo and it shouldn't have gone this far. He sounds pathetic with his nasty moods.

MolotovMocktail · 08/11/2020 13:45

Jesus OP there are so many red flags here I don’t know where to start. He is not a good guy, run don’t walk.

babytum · 08/11/2020 13:45

It shouldn’t be such hard work this early on. I always say by 3 months you have a good insight into the person. If he’s not making you happy 90% of the time why would you give your valuable time to such a person.
He doesn’t sound like a nice man at all.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Lollyneenah · 08/11/2020 13:46

Agreed with all of the above and just dropping in here that hes not controlling and possessive towards you because he loooves you so much.
It's because he sees women as vapid, ornamental, mildly disgusting belongings-not as human beings in their own right.

I'd love to know what this man has to say about his exs and vice versa!

Lucy830 · 08/11/2020 13:48

He sounds possessive. I was with somebody like this many years ago before DH and it started out like this and developed into the most horrific, toxic relationship. I felt suffocated. I was accused of cheating several times a day, if I didn't answer every single call he would just snap and become irate and abusive, it developed so that he would literally call me 10 times over 3 hours of being out with friends.

when we split, he didn't leave me alone for 2 years!!

Bluetrews25 · 08/11/2020 13:48

OP, the MN hive mind is expert at spotting abusive relationships, even in the very early stages. 100% of PP are saying you should get the hell away from him.
He will not turn out nice and happily married like his siblings.
Well, HE might be happy, but the poor soul he imprisons will not be. Don't be her.
Better alone than with an abuser.

DiddlySquatty · 08/11/2020 13:48

He doesn’t sound stable

You can’t discuss issues/disagreements/different points of view in an calm normal way. That’s a deal breaker isn’t it

Gilead · 08/11/2020 13:49

So, you don’t see other people, then you don’t look at your phone, then he checks your phone and you let him to keep the peace, after all, he’s just being caring. Then you stop going out with your friends because you can’t be dealing with the fall out.
Been there. Run, now, as fast and as far as you can.

LethargicLumpOfLockdownLard · 08/11/2020 13:49

Red flags.

QualityFeet · 08/11/2020 13:58

You aren’t ready to pick a partner if any of this seems ok. It’s awful - he is awful!

Press pause. It sounds like you would actually benefit from the freedom programme. Raise the bar and your future will look better

WhySoSensitive · 08/11/2020 13:58

Read your post as if it was a friend of yours writing it...
You’d tell her to run a mile. He sounds possessive insecure and jealous already OP

RealSadHelp · 08/11/2020 13:59

Oh my gosh. Please think twice.

This is very similar to my husband and I.

There were so many warning signs. He is controlling and he can switch from happy to angry in seconds. Never hits me but boy do his words hurt.

I had a troublesome relationship with my mother. I confided in him all the time. Any other issues I confided and he used everything against me in all our arguments.

It’s been 14 years and I have wanted to leave so many times. My DC are my everything.

I now have cowered and caved in. I let him act how he wants. Then when I stand up for myself he is abusive verbally and hurts my feelings.

At the start of course things are easier. You have some space! But once you are living with a verbally abusive person that is a different ball game. Be prepared to never have the ball in your court. They have an answer for everything. And they will make you question your sanity.

RealSadHelp · 08/11/2020 14:05

I forgot to add that because he says sorry and he won’t do it again - I forgive.

I’m weak. I know this. I am not confident. I know this. I am forgetful. I know this. I am a giver. I know this.

But he knows all this and more. He knows all by buttons. How to push them. How to hurt me. He knows it all.

I’m sat here in the because he told me I just sit in front of the telly. Well if I tried to list all the ways this is not true it would be pointless. Right? Because you don’t have to believe me!
Simply, it’s just the fact he said that at a time when I am struggling to find a job. That is kicking someone when they are already down.

These type of men love watching women suffer. I don’t think they like women at all. I watch how my husband won’t watch a woman on screen and listen. But a man, he will listen. I’ve only recently noticed this. It’s something I never noticed before. Like we are nothing. He also has opportunity to employ people on his team and they are always men. I don’t understand this either.

I would call these men out on what they are - chauvinists.

Titleday · 08/11/2020 14:14

Thanks everyone who has taken the time to post! I’ve read each one. It’s confirmed how I felt before I posted but you can never be sure if it’s not you can you!! At least I couldn’t. I’m not perfect by any stretch.

What’s weird is he has a very very high up job in dv/social care/family disputes. Pretty much the whole village thinks he is a great person who can do no wrong and has this flashy job with a flashy car etc. That part of him also made me question myself as you’d think someone in that role would be very emotionally aware and mature.

I have not been perfect and he has said a lot that I’ve given him the wrong impression. I don’t really know how, other than wanting to cut down on so much time together after being equally as keen as him at the start.i guess that doesn’t feel good to him but it’s not like I said it in a way where I wanted him to just leave me alone...it’s recently started to get to that stage as he’s not been able to take on board just a small comment about please can you not constantly text when I’ve not responded, for instance.

I felt conflicted as it’s obvious he likes me and cares for me and that’s why he is doing it but it just feels like he doesn’t trust me and we can’t be content and happy.

OP posts:
Titleday · 08/11/2020 14:19

Also I think I may have given the impression I don’t stand up for myself, when I definitely do.

One awful thing that happened recently was we went on a mini break to the Cotswolds for two nights, Friday and Saturday. On Sunday on the way back he asked if I was staying over at his or going home - I had the Monday off. I said I was going home as I wanted to use my day off to clean the house. He was in a huge mood about this, said that I had used him to pay for a weekend away (we had both wanted to go away and had offered to pay). He did end up paying for the entire thing but to bring it up when I say I’m going to go home afterwards...I don’t know, maybe that was cruel of me or insensitive. He is always banging on about money and how much he has and I guess when he just paid I didn’t question it, said thank you obviously! I don’t know.

OP posts:
FenellaVelour · 08/11/2020 14:22

He’s far from ideal. His behaviour is incredibly worrying, particularly at this stage of the relationship. Massive red flags. I’d get out now.

RedRec · 08/11/2020 14:22

God, these men are always 'ideal / perfect' *apart from the million things that mean they are not. Depressingly familiar story. OP, you are wasting your time with this controlling prat.

shesgonebatshitagain · 08/11/2020 14:23

@Titleday

He is so nice to me in general, dedicated caring and loving. It’s so frustrating as i just want to settle down but I find his behaviour so unattractive and hurtful.
He does the nice stuff to lull you into a false sense of security and confidence so that the real him can really take you down a peg or two and keep you in line

If you are decent, loving and caring you are this ALL the time not just to get what you want or manipulate. If you’re doing that for those reasons - and I believe this is him - is it anything but decent and loving

Dump him

JellyFishSquish · 08/11/2020 14:25

He "lashes out" and is also "totally the ideal man"? Just no, this is a wrong-un I'm afraid.

Retiremental · 08/11/2020 14:27

Take the blinkers off OP.
Wanting to go back to your own home was not insensitive.

He is a controlling prick and he will escalate.
Leave now.

Whatisthisfuckery · 08/11/2020 14:32

Red Flag 1, paranoid and possessive.

Red flag 2, ignores your boundaries. When you say you dont’ want to speak he keeps on texting.

Red flag 3, loses his temper unpredictably over petty things.

Red flag 4, refuses to give you space.

Red flag 5, emotional manipulation and threats. If we speak less I’ll go off you.

Red flag 6, spends lots of money on you to create a sense of you being beholden to him to then use against you later.

Red flag 7, listens to your insecurities, your relationship with your mother, then stores them away to throw them back at you later.

Red flag 8, makes nasty comments about where you live. the subtext to this is that if you want to remain with him you’ll have to go and live with him, over the road from his parents, and you will be completely subsumed into his world, which is exactly where he wants you to be.

I only started with a few red flags but once I thought about it they just kept coming, and I bet there’s more, both that you’ve mentioned and that you haven’t. Run OP, he’s very bad news indeed. He will not change and turn into who you want him to be. This is who he is and the longer you’re with him the worse it’ll get. RUN

Thefirsttime · 08/11/2020 14:35

Another voice adding to the chorus of run. He’s controlling.

”after the first date he was very upfront and said he didn’t want us to date others while we see how things go with us” This is controlling. What he actually meant by this is he didn’t want YOU to see other people while he sees how things go with you.

If he genuinely thinks you are as bad as he’s trying to make out you are, then the normal thing to do would be for him to end the relationship. He isn’t ending the relationship because he’s deliberately just saying these things to be hurtful, to undermine you and to knock your self esteem which will make it easier for him to control you. Nice hey?

Other than this he is totally the ideal man in the sense that we get on and laugh together, want similar things. it’s a pretty big other than this. He has to be nice to you some of the time or you wouldn’t stick around. The nasty him is the real him.

Is this me? no absolutely not, it’s him.

I am being difficult here and harsh to him and causing him to behave like this? no, that’s what he wants you to think. Like I said above if he genuinely though you were anywhere near as bad as he is making out, a normal man would end the relationship.

user17163254865 · 08/11/2020 14:36

What’s weird is he has a very very high up job in dv/social care/family disputes. Pretty much the whole village thinks he is a great person who can do no wrong

That is neither weird nor unusual. Abusers commonly seek out positions of power and build a public image that will mean very few people will believe or listen to their victims.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 08/11/2020 14:38

What’s weird is he has a very very high up job in dv/social care/family disputes. Pretty much the whole village thinks he is a great person who can do no wrong

A controlling abuser hiding in plain sight.

doctorhamster · 08/11/2020 14:44

Run away op. Run far far away.

Swipe left for the next trending thread