Page 5 | Sean Connery is not a legend

KissWithAFist · 2020-10-31T18:36:11+00:00

Some will consider this bad taste - it’s the day he died I know. But this is a man who condoned hitting women. And though he qualified his endorsement by saying you shouldn’t hit a woman like you would a man, I think it’s enormously damaging that someone in his position - who so many people look up to - can make comments like this. I’m sad for his family as I would be sad for any family who have lost a loved one. But I don’t think he should be remembered as a “legend”. Anyway, here is a link to Sean Connery in his own words..... [[https://youtu.be/oo0d1zTAFKA]]

BarnardCastleSpecsavers · 31/10/2020 23:46

Just putting this here to lighten the mood.

BarnardCastleSpecsavers · 31/10/2020 23:47

Total legend in this outfit

ReneeRol · 31/10/2020 23:48

Barnard; I love hairy men... 😂

KenzoBaby · 31/10/2020 23:48

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT! I think you may be a touch paranoid.

KenzoBaby · 31/10/2020 23:50

I'm really sorry if the discussion of violence is getting people down. How very inconsiderate of us!

Had it escaped your attention that he's holding a gun in that photo? A touch unfortunate for this thread.

ReneeRol · 31/10/2020 23:52

Hairy, crazy man with a gun... Keeps the burglars out.

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 31/10/2020 23:54

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT! I think you may be a touch paranoid.

You have sent me TWO private messages now , one AFTER you apologized for the first message! So they were both " accidents" were they?! I'm not paranoid, some weirdo is sending me unsolicited private messages.

I replied to the first message asking you not to message me again, you did message me again. Hardly an an accident. Stop.

KenzoBaby · 31/10/2020 23:59

OK, I get the picture is meant to be funny but tbh you really are just minimising violence now.

It's a long time since I had thought so much about what happened to me, both as a child and as an adult and I feel quite sad tonight to know there is still a significant minority in this country stuck in the dark ages.

Thank you to the OP for starting the thread and to those who contributed sensitively.

Winterterrace · 01/11/2020 00:00

My grandad was born a good decade before him and never raised a hand to a woman or a child. Casual violence towards those physically weaker than you isn’t a generational thing, it’s a cowardly bullying thing.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 01/11/2020 00:04

Please stop lumping an entire generation of men as violent wife beaters to excuse and apologise for this self confessed wife beater.

BarnardCastleSpecsavers · 01/11/2020 00:11

I’m sorry kenzobabt I thought it was a water pistol. My eyesight is not what it was.

Justbeinghonestreally · 01/11/2020 00:19

Agree with Sinister. Totally unfair to say the majority of a whole generation of men were bastards! Ridiculous.

TruckinRight · 01/11/2020 00:20

esp as there was a strong taboo against hitting women..

GlummyMcGlummerson · 01/11/2020 00:52

Thank you OP!

Why are we afraid of calling out this kind of behaviour?

I also wasn't "heartbroken" when David Bowie died given his history of sexual relations with underage girls

GlummyMcGlummerson · 01/11/2020 00:56

@KenzoBaby

How long does a violent women-hater have to be dead before it's ok to point out they were a violent women-hater? 24hrs? A week? A month? A year? More?

What if we had all known Jimmy Savile was a paedophile when he died? Would we still have been expected to mourn him as a legend and just put his offending to the side for a while?

Exactly!!

Do people mourn criminals and wife beaters usually? Or is it only when they've starred in (sexist, objectifying of women) shit films?

GlummyMcGlummerson · 01/11/2020 00:58

Also MASSIVE eye roll at the "What about the menz" crowd. Why why why can't we talk about male-to-female violence without some numpty coming along going "oh but but but meeeeen tooooo"

Are they being obtuse or are they genuinely ignorant of why hitting a man in a drunken street fight is completely different to hitting your intimate partner?

GlummyMcGlummerson · 01/11/2020 01:01

[quote TigerBrite]He was born in 1930 and was a product of the misogynistic times in which he lived. Domestic violence was very common and accepted in that era. But times have changed and in 2006 he reportedly said he did not condone violence against women.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/12430892.i-dont-believe-that-any-level-of-abuse-of-women-is-ever-justified-under-any-circumstances-connery-speaks-for-the-first-time-after-cancelling-his-high-profile-appearance-at-holyroods-festival-of-politics-by-paul-hutcheon/[/quote]
My grandad is 2 years younger than Sean Connery was.

He abhors violence against women, always has. He points out subtle sexism and racism in films. In my whole almost 40 years of knowing him he's never said a sexist, racist or bigoted thing. Age is not an excuse, elderly men are not some dithering idiots who say "whoopsies" and say "aah, our generation innit" as an excuse.

Men like Connery are astute and intelligent / you don't get to his dizzy heights by being stupid. He knew exactly what he was saying was misogynistic

GlummyMcGlummerson · 01/11/2020 01:07

@ReneeRol

Ffs, Jimmy Saville has nothing to do with Sean Connery. Ridiculous to compare his comment to raping children. There's no comparison.

I have a serious question - why when some people are (rightly) horrified at the abuse of children, do they hear of abuse of women they go "meh". Do you only care about abuse until a female reaches age 17 and 364 days old then after that it's "only" a woman, it was what's happened in those days blah blah (funny how no one says "hey people just raped children back in the day")? I see this attitude lot actually. Children - big no. Women - fair game/asking for it/two sides to every story.

GlummyMcGlummerson · 01/11/2020 01:10

@ReneeRol

No Kenzo, you're the one minimising violence by comparing an old man who was the product of his time and probably a bit of a shit like many men of his time, making bad comments 33 years ago, who may have evolved since then, who knows - with a man who raped hundreds of kids.

There's no equivalence. None. Not in any world that recognises the severity of what Saville and his friends did.

As someone who was raped as a child, I think it's a pretty fitting comparison - misogynists take many forms, and they're all deserving of being recognised for the criminals they are.

Defenbaker · 01/11/2020 02:43

Oh dear, I confess, it was me who started the thread which referred to him as a legend. I looked for a thread about his death and didn't see the first one [more blushing, the 1st one was started hours before mine.]

I've enjoyed so many of his films throughout my life and knew nothing about his personal life, so just wanted to start a thread where people could reminisce about his films and pay their respects. Now I've watched the interview where he appeared to condone slapping women I see him in a different light. I will ask for my thread to be deleted.

I'm not going to defend his attitude in that interview, all those years ago, but I will say that although he seems to have had some rather misogynistic views, he was a great actor and made some very entertaining films. So, not a hero in real life, but his body of work entertained many people. Also, he did start a charity to support youngsters in Scotland, so there was a decent side to him as a person, although it's clear he wasn't perfect.

Isadora2007 · 01/11/2020 03:05

I think it’s fair that people enjoyed his acting and that his craft and his personal life are able to be seen as separate things. I think that keeping a frame of reference in mind when discussing situations is also relevant to things as him stating in the 70s (or was it even the 60s?) about a slap- and that the full quote referred to a slap not being the worst thing and that words could be worse or something- IS different compared to someone saying it today. I saw the interview where he repeated himself in the 90s and I agree he was an arsehole to not just hold his hands up and say he was wrong. His ex wife alleges he was violent- but my ex husband claims many things about me, none of which are true.

What is true is the man is dead and he seems like he wasn’t a hero of a man. But he was a good actor and he can be mourned by people for whom he meant something positive for. Yes by all means discuss domestic violence and raise awareness of that- but comparing what he spoke about with DV to me seems a little far fetched. Like comparing him to paedophiles etc. That’s too far.
I think there is a far cry from parents who give their child a smack once or twice and those who systematically abuse their kids. The odd slap back in THAT time isn’t the same thing as systematic domestic abuse. Horrible behaviour? Yes. Unacceptable to many? Yes. Now one hit is one too many- and people know that- but only because we have moved on with the times.

eaglejulesk · 01/11/2020 05:29

Oh for goodness sake - get over yourselves! Unless any of you know Sean Connery personally then you aren't qualified to judge him. Whether or not you think he is a legend doesn't matter, but I can tell you now, he is more of a legend than any of you are ever likely to be.

GlummyMcGlummerson · 01/11/2020 05:33

@eaglejulesk

Oh for goodness sake - get over yourselves! Unless any of you know Sean Connery personally then you aren't qualified to judge him. Whether or not you think he is a legend doesn't matter, but I can tell you now, he is more of a legend than any of you are ever likely to be.

I am absolutely qualified to judge a man who has a history of domestic violence. And one who confined violence against women.

Do you also think that we are in no position to judge Terry from the poor council estate who beats his wife? Or is it only the rich attractive people we can't judge?

The blindness and denial that some people have for violent and predatory celebrities is utterly shocking. I've seen it here with Jonny Depp and Michael Jackson too. Like how stupid do you have to be to think a person can't be bad because you like them in a movie or you like their songs.

GlummyMcGlummerson · 01/11/2020 05:36

Also the minimisation and "he wasn't that bad" "it was only a slap" on this thread is revolting. If you think that then you are half the problem in society when it comes to attitudes around violence against women.

LolalovesLondon · 01/11/2020 06:52

Oh for goodness sake - get over yourselves! Unless any of you know Sean Connery personally then you aren't qualified to judge him. Whether or not you think he is a legend doesn't matter, but I can tell you now, he is more of a legend than any of you are ever likely to be.

Don’t be ridiculous!
Anyone is entitled to judge him based on that interview.