Sean Connery is not a legend

[KissWithAFist]

Some will consider this bad taste - it’s the day he died I know. But this is a man who condoned hitting women. And though he qualified his endorsement by saying you shouldn’t hit a woman like you would a man, I think it’s enormously damaging that someone in his position - who so many people look up to - can make comments like this.

I’m sad for his family as I would be sad for any family who have lost a loved one. But I don’t think he should be remembered as a “legend”.

Anyway, here is a link to Sean Connery in his own words.....

[knittingaddict]

@Radiatornoise

Note “past” and not “passed”. You’d think a POTUS would be more informed.

He can't spell. It's well known from his illiterate twitter posts. One of Trump's teachers called him the dumbest student he had ever had or words to the effect.

[GabsAlot]

yes isnt it lovely that he stopped apparently beating his wives to unconsciousness

what a man

[RuffleCrow]

That's horrific @CherryPieface

[CherryPieface]

He beat his first wife until she was unconscious.

My dad was born in 1928. He does not hit women. Sean Connery was not a product of his time.

[Radiatornoise]

Note “past” and not “passed”. You’d think a POTUS would be more informed.

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

Oh wow, so he can add "environmental fraud" to his list of qualities.

Though I strongly suspect the Orange One is telling tall tales there

[KissWithAFist]

Wrong tweet.

[KissWithAFist]

I stand corrected, there was more to Sean than met the eye - he helps struggling business owners too. He keeps good company.

[PlanDeRaccordement]

@GlummyMcGlummerson
Thank you for that. Obviously wife beating is absolutely wrong. But it was not viewed as wrong enough for there to be any laws against it. In 1822 cruelty to cattle was outlawed, but it took until 1976 for a similar law to be passed protecting married women.

I’m not defending the man Sean Connery was. But his 1965 comments were not highly unusual or shocking at the time he said them. To say that is to deny the reality of history of women’s oppression. That’s also why it took until over 25yrs later for anyone to question them as seen in the OPs video clip from 1997.

There is a Aug 1st 1964 scientific study “the wife beaters wife” done by at the time well esteemed psychiatrists and published that literally said that a man beating his wife was actually a good thing. They called it “violent, temporary therapy”: (quote from study)

‘The periods of violent behavior by the husband,’ the doctors observed, ‘served to release him momentarily from his anxiety about his ineffectiveness as a man, while giving his wife apparent masochistic gratification and helping probably to deal with the guilt arising from the intense hostility expressed in her controlling, castrating


I do however think that by 2006 Sean Connery had albeit very late in life realised he was wrong in what he thought in 1965.

[user1274157963247]

If it’s legal, the majority of society think it’s not wrong.

Come off it, that's not how our legal system works.

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

Actually @PlanDeRaccordement looking at your post I think we are speaking at cross purposes - what I was saying is, just because it wasn't illegal for a man to hit his wife in 1965, it doesn't mean it was wrong. Laws "at the time" are NOT a measure of what is right or wrong. Just what has been fought for by certain people

I think you've misunderstood my post (and I misread yours so apologies for the blow response!)

[ancientgran]

Which would have been very typical attitudes for men of his age and background at that time. I think that is very insulting to the memory of many of our fathers/grandfathers. My father was a few years older than Sean Connery and he regarded men who hit women as scum. One of my uncles hit his wife and the whole family were up in arms. Working class family from Ireland rather than Scotland but I have no reason to believe Scottish men would be significantly different to Irish men.

Don't make excuses for him.

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

Of course they are. If it’s legal, the majority of society think it’s not wrong

@PlanDeRaccordement

Laws are not formed on referendums of public views.

In the case i take it you think it wasn't wrong for a man to rape his wife prior to 1993? It only became wrong from 1993, yes?

[PlanDeRaccordement]

the laws of the time are not indicative of what was considered right or wrong.

Of course they are. If it’s legal, the majority of society think it’s not wrong. What do you think second wave feminism did then? Were these activist women in the 60/70s lying about domestic violence being so culturally accepted? Was their activism to get domestic violence outlawed a complete waste of time because it was “never” viewed as ok and abusers were punished the same?

I’m a bit shocked at this disavowal of the real oppression of women that was happening fifty years ago.

[knittingaddict]

My dad is 90 and he would never, ever hit a woman or condone another man doing so. My friends were raised by men of this generation and none were raised to think violence towards women was ok or common. All this "it was a different time" is just making excuses for a wife beater.

[Pomegranatemolasses]

My father was born in 1930. There's no way he would ever have condoned violence towards women. So please stop using this as a defence.

[diddl]

I agree that his views aren't reflective of the time.

Maybe of his upbringing?

But in 1965 he was 35 &I would have hoped he would have been wise enough not to say it!

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

And what I mean by "like a god" (to expel doubt about what I mean) at the time he was so very coveted and famous, he was treated like a god like being. We don't really have anyone like that anymore, stars are way too accessible to be shrouded in mystery. looking back at the hysteria and fandom that followed him, he had a phenomenal following.

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

It's really tricky re the appreciation of their talent vs their crime.

Michael Jackson was a notorious peadophile who raped little boys. He also made amazing music that defined a generation. He was like a god. I personally don't play his music anymore, but I think it's fine to recognise his genius asking as we don't ignore and forget the evil side to him too.

Sean Connery - meh. Personal opinion but I'm not a fan, I didn't like the Bond films and I actually can't think of anything else off the top of my head that he was in.

[southeastdweller]

From his notorious 1965 interview: "I don't think there is anything particularly wrong about hitting a woman - although I don’t recommend doing it in the same way that you’d hit a man.

‘An open-handed slap is justified, if all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning. If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or
bloody-minded continually, then I’d do it.’

Great actor? Hardly. Sure he had bucketloads of charisma but as an actor he had a very limited range.

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

@KissWithAFist it's ok if you're rich, powerful and good at your job to abuse women and advocate for abusers.

Only poor and unimportant people get berated for having those views.

Honestly OP keep up.

[KissWithAFist]

How many other actors have publicly stated that it’s ok to hit a women? If it’s so if it’s time there must be other high profile actors or public figures? I’m asking genuinely as surely if it was an ok thing to say then others must have publicly said it too?

Or Was Sean the only one brave enough to say what others were thinking?

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

Well its just that nobody said that at all did they. Unless I missed it - and yes I've read the thread.

[Bluntness100]

@GlummyMcGlummerson

Who has said his wife is lying *@Bluntness100*?

Just read the thread, seriously, do you think I’m going to summarise for you? I am neither that bored or your assistant.

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

Who has said his wife is lying @Bluntness100?