Sean Connery is not a legend

[KissWithAFist]

Some will consider this bad taste - it’s the day he died I know. But this is a man who condoned hitting women. And though he qualified his endorsement by saying you shouldn’t hit a woman like you would a man, I think it’s enormously damaging that someone in his position - who so many people look up to - can make comments like this.

I’m sad for his family as I would be sad for any family who have lost a loved one. But I don’t think he should be remembered as a “legend”.

Anyway, here is a link to Sean Connery in his own words.....

[Venicelover]

I said exactly the same OP. A good James Bond, but not a nice person.

[lockdownbreakdown]

Im afraid it was a sign of the times. Men were busy slapping women in films left , right and centre in the 50's and 60's . Lots of men of his generation would have thought it acceptable. My best mates mum ran naked into a police station, covered in blood after being beaten by her husband . They laughed at her and told her to go home as it was a domestic! This was the eighties! Even Ellen Pizzy who set up the first refuge was interviewed explaining what domestic abuse was in the 70's and qualified it with ' not a normal slap i'm taking about , I am with fists!' . He was 90! Im sure he was a bastard, just like the majority of men of his generation.

[LolalovesLondon]

I find this distasteful, he’s just died. Some respect for his family might be in order.
This is a discussion for down the line in my view.

I’m sure his family already know what kind of man he was and have seen this countless times. The attitudes he expresses in this interview are hardly going to come as a surprise.

[LolalovesLondon]

Op there was already a thread on this, you even read it and decided to start another, why?

The OP said I saw that thread but when it was just platitudes. I’ve not read any others as they all seemed to be in honour of him.

[Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel]

So distasteful. There's a thread already, you didn't need to start one to slate a dead 90 year old man. Shame on you, all of you.

[ReneeRol]

You don't know what he believed, only what he believed in 1987.

We are all products of our enviroment and culture. Its ridiculous to project your personal values and current cultural norms on people from the past and demonise them because they didn't express the cultural norms of 2020 in 1987.

People evolve over time with new experiences and exposure to different values.

In 2050, people will be looking back on all of us as distasteful barbarians and there will be those judging everybody who doesn't live up to standards that don't yet exist as evil and bad people.

Or maybe they'll have evolved beyond that point. Let's hope so. Too many people are always looking to jump on something to demonise and tear others down for. It's a very nasty quality.

People are not the sum of one comment, one opinion, one act, we have our whole lives in which we do a lot of things, good and bad. Sensible, sane people recognise that we've all done good and bad things in our lives, nobody's perfect.

Go judge yourself.

[Motnight]

Hopefully in 2050 violence towards women will be considered unacceptable.

[Ginger1982]

@ReneeRol

You don't know what he believed, only what he believed in 1987.

We are all products of our enviroment and culture. Its ridiculous to project your personal values and current cultural norms on people from the past and demonise them because they didn't express the cultural norms of 2020 in 1987.

People evolve over time with new experiences and exposure to different values.

In 2050, people will be looking back on all of us as distasteful barbarians and there will be those judging everybody who doesn't live up to standards that don't yet exist as evil and bad people.

Or maybe they'll have evolved beyond that point. Let's hope so. Too many people are always looking to jump on something to demonise and tear others down for. It's a very nasty quality.

People are not the sum of one comment, one opinion, one act, we have our whole lives in which we do a lot of things, good and bad. Sensible, sane people recognise that we've all done good and bad things in our lives, nobody's perfect.

Go judge yourself.

The cultural norms of 2020? I think people probably realised it was wrong to hit women long before now! And if he didn't see fit in 1987 to step right back from what he'd said 20 years earlier, then that's on him. Many men of his generation absolutely did not share his view.

[KenzoBaby]

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

So distasteful. There's a thread already, you didn't need to start one to slate a dead 90 year old man. Shame on you, all of you.

He's not a dead 90 year old man. He's a dead 90 year old wife beater. Two women a week don't get to 90 because their partners kill them.

Shame on us?! Shame on you, minimising his behaviour. But far more shame on him, dead or not.

[Babdoc]

As well as his approval of domestic violence, he campaigned for the SNP and Scottish independence while living in tax exile in the Bahamas. So a hypocrite as well. Happy for Scotland to become a high tax bankrupt banana republic, as long as he never had to live here.
Sorry, but I don’t mourn the death of a 90 year old misogynist hypocrite, who was only famous for playing a violent sexist psychopath.

[KissWithAFist]

People in positions of authority also abused children prolifically in the past. Why do we bother criticising them if it was just “how it was in these days”.

You change things by challenging the accepted normal.

[KenzoBaby]

"People are not the sum of one comment, one opinion, one act, we have our whole lives in which we do a lot of things, good and bad. Sensible, sane people recognise that we've all done good and bad things in our lives, nobody's perfect."

I know, I wish people would remember that Jimmy Savile did lots for charity, they always bore on about how he was a rapist, I mean that was no big deal back in his day!

[KenzoBaby]

Wow, what an eloquent comeback! Care to actually use the power of debate? Ms Squirrel? Or is your obscene abbreviation a reluctant admission of defeat?

[ReneeRol]

Ffs, Jimmy Saville has nothing to do with Sean Connery. Ridiculous to compare his comment to raping children. There's no comparison.

[KenzoBaby]

@ReneeRol

Ffs, Jimmy Saville has nothing to do with Sean Connery. Ridiculous to compare his comment to raping children. There's no comparison.

SC did not just SAY it was ok to hit women, he actually DID it.

[KissWithAFist]

@ReneeRol

I think you have spectacularly missed the point. But bless you for trying.

[ReneeRol]

He said he slapped them. There's no comparison between that and raping a kid either! They're not anywhere near each other and it minimises child abuse to try and make any correlation. There is none.

[KenzoBaby]

Renee, the only one minimising violence (sexual or otherwise) here is you.

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@ImEatingVeryHealthilyOhYes

I agree but that attitude was very common, my dm (70) still thinks it’s ok for men to hit women if they deserve it

My teenage rebellion was discovering feminism

It's not common at all. My parents were that generation, both in the war and neither thought hitting or slapping someone was OK.

[C8H10N4O2]

In his generation it was acceptable to hit men, women and children on occasion

No it wasn't. DF was that generation, he had utter contempt for men who hit women and that was a normal attitude amongst his peers. It happened, just as it does regularly in "enlightened" 2020 but they were contemptuous of men who did it.

[KissWithAFist]

@ReneeRol

Again, you are not getting the (much) bigger point. Perhaps this thread is not for you?

[KenzoBaby]

It would be handy to have a list of what is serious enough to "de-legend" someone. So
Rape - yes?
Domestic violence - no?

What about murder? Manslaughter? Cruelty to animals?

[ThousandsAreSailing]

No wonder men get away with so much
This thread is distasteful yet hitting a woman isn't
Why shouldn't he be recognised for the abuser he was?