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ADs are braving the wind and the rain

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CruCru · 30/10/2020 09:12

Hi all

I couldn’t find the new thread so here is one I set up. It’s windy out there! Glad I weeded my flowerbeds a couple of days ago.

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justasking111 · 31/10/2020 23:09

I enjoyed it but they said the other half was on britbox which I do not have.

MercyBooth · 01/11/2020 00:56

www.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/01/nightmare-before-christmas-ms-set-for-big-loss-on-covid-hit-high-street?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1604189937

Nightmare before Christmas: M&S set for big loss on Covid-hit high street
Its Ocado tie-up may bring Marks festive joy, but as restrictions bite even Primark looks less than cheerful

he next two months are supposed to be the most lucrative time of the year for the high street, but a grisly update from Marks & Spencer will this week provide a grim reality check as the pandemic sets up nightmarish trading conditions for the golden quarter.

Analysts expect M&S to have made a loss of about £60m in the first six months of its financial year because of the huge sales hit suffered by its clothing arm during the three-month spring lockdown. This time last year, the UK’s biggest clothing retailer was reporting profits of £176m.

Close followers of M&S are no stranger to disappointment when it comes to its ailing clothing business. But thanks to the health crisis, the declines are of a different magnitude, with the company expected to report a precipitous 40% drop in clothing and home sales over the six months to 26 September when it updates investors on Wednesday.

Sales at M&S’s upmarket food halls are expected to be flat, with the Covid drag on stores in city centres and transport hubs – where trade has been hit by the shift to working from home – offset by brisker sales in suburban locations. M&S’s food business has also been buoyed by its recent tie-up with online grocer Ocado, which means it will be able to profit from the clamour for online grocery deliveries this Christmas

But M&S was playing catch-up before coronavirus struck. It lost its place in the FTSE 100 in 2019, and the City was calling for a more dramatic reinvention of the 136-year-old chain, which they complain is saddled with creaking infrastructure and too many ageing stores. They are now getting what they wanted from the chief executive and chairman double-act of Steve Rowe and Archie Norman, who most recently announced that they were cutting 7,000 jobs.

Clive Black, analyst at Shore Capital, which is M&S’s house broker, said the pandemic had forced the company to make tough decisions and address shortcomings such as its misfiring website: “I think necessity is the mother of invention here and M&S is having to take dBut, he added, ever-tightening restrictions made it harder to predict the likely level of profitability at M&S in the rest of the financial year. Business leaders had hoped the coronavirus situation would have stabilised by now but are instead dealing with a high level of uncertainty as “every other day another county of England is going into tier 3”.

The financial toll the pandemic has taken on the high street is underlined by the impact it has had on the finances of even the strongest retail brands. On Tuesday, M&S’s arch-rival Primark is expected to report annual profits of about £350m, which will be less than half last year’s £913m haul. The budget clothing chain does not sell online and – like M&S – desperately needs its customers to feel safe about venturing out to high streets and shopping malls this Christmas.

Richard Hyman, an independent retail analyst, said public anxiety about growing coronavirus restrictions was already having an impact on clothing sales, so all bets for Christmas were off. “This is not normality. This is a wholly exceptional period and it is about navigating your way through it. Pre-Covid, Primark was one of the best retailers we have – and it still is.

Recycledblonde · 01/11/2020 05:57

Had a hair appointment booked for Thursday but my wonderful hairdresser is coming in on her day off and has offered me a slot. At least I won't look like a scarecrow when this shit show ends in December.

TabbyStar · 01/11/2020 06:27

Thanks justasking that's a great article. It's so frustrating that their arguments are not getting more air time.

JamSarnie · 01/11/2020 06:45

Assuming hairdressers are closing so just rebooked my appointment Angry

wanderings · 01/11/2020 07:04

I posted this on the "should we resist lockdown" thread: posting it here too, where it might get a more sympathetic reception:

Even I think there's not much we can do about the short term. But what we can do is make every effort to make FUTURE governments aware that if the same happens again, it's going to be much harder for them to ride roughshod over the taxpaying public this time. Here are things we can think about:

  1. If he's late ending tier 4, and starts pleading "just another week/month/year": then is the time to break some roolz, especially if businesses have made their plans to reopen, and he U-turns the night before. We the public have to make it clear that we expect to be back to where we are now on 2nd Dec (and preferably with fewer restrictions), and not ONE DAY later, and that we don't expect "I know I said twelve weeks, I was lying" that we had earlier this year. We need to be shouting "we expect you to end restrictions when you say you will".
  1. I expect some people will be paying their taxes one minute before midnight on 31st January, or forming a socially distanced queue to pay them in pennies. The government needs to remember that we pay their wages.
  1. We had "eat out to help out": Saint Boris is bound to then put on a Santa hat and tell us "spend, spend, spend to save the shops, after I destroyed them". Not doing so would be one way to show our ire, stating publicly that we can't, because we don't know if we'll have an income next year, especially as we were blamed for infections by eating out to help out. We need to state publicly WHY we're not spending.
  1. Keeping the emergency laws in place by stealth, after things settle down: we need to be extremely observant about this. That is a battle we can, and must, fight. Whoever replaces Boris will think we've forgotten about them: we must show that we have not: keep writing to our MPs, post on social media about it.
  1. When an election finally does come round, we must grill the candidates to the hilt about their future pandemic planning. Are they going to totally destroy the country because of too many people coughing, like Boris did? After promising a new era for the NHS (bingo card ready), are they going to run it into the ground again?
  1. We need to do something about the sensationalist media that is a staple of this country. One reason that I (and no doubt many others) refused to take the virus seriously at first is because for years, we're always being told that disaster is just round the corner: the Millennium bug, your mobile phone is killing you, there are weapons of mass destruction, there are paedophiles, terrorists, immigrants everywhere, to say nothing of climate change. A huge "crying wolf" effect has been built up over the years, and the public blindly believes it every time. If we could somehow fight this (e.g. by not buying papers) it could be one positive thing. Having said that, the media is much more powerful than the government, and they will do whatever it takes to sell papers; it might be an impossible battle.
  1. The legal challenges against the government will probably go quiet for a little while, but in January, they are likely to crank up their efforts. Supporting them publicly as much as we can would be one thing. Even though the government will resist them as much as they can, and judges will no doubt be bribed by the government, it might make future governments think before oppressing the public. (Incidentally, what happened to the leader of the anti-lockdown party? He's gone a bit quiet, but he's not exactly trustworthy.)
  1. We need to resist the government's efforts to pit sections of the public against each other: it's been their main strategy to distract us from their own incompetence. We need to stop posting on social media about blaming people who don't wear masks; instead, we need to instead call out the government.
  1. We need to make the government aware that we don't approve of their approach of "government by media": leaking things to the press first, before they tell us. This weekend was a prime example: we should have heard about the lockdown from Boris first, not from the Daily Mail. (It was, however, very fitting that Boris was actually put on the spot for once.)
wanderings · 01/11/2020 07:22

I also noticed that Saint Boris didn't sound as if he was trying to blame the public this time. (Did that happen in the "next slide please" montage?) But I suppose Saint Boris might take that line if he says "actually, I'm not reopening on 2nd Dec".

LivinLaVidaLoki · 01/11/2020 07:25

Wonder if the bar and restaurant in the HOC will close.

JamSarnie · 01/11/2020 07:29

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Wonder if the bar and restaurant in the HOC will close.
I suspect that would be a 'workplace canteen' so doubt it Angry
LivinLaVidaLoki · 01/11/2020 07:29

What I don't understand is looking at the slides its making the assumption that between covid and flu, the NHS will be on its knees. Looking at who is going into hospital with covid, it appears they would be the cohort more likely to be hospitalised with flu.
So aren't they double counting to a degree? These people won't need two beds?

LivinLaVidaLoki · 01/11/2020 07:30

And given between 17 and 25 percent of people in hospital with covid, acquired it in there.....Maybe the NHS wouldn't be overwhelmed if they stopped making people sick

LivinLaVidaLoki · 01/11/2020 07:31

@wanderings

I also noticed that Saint Boris didn't sound as if he was trying to blame the public this time. (Did that happen in the "next slide please" montage?) But I suppose Saint Boris might take that line if he says "actually, I'm not reopening on 2nd Dec".
@wanderings Maybe he's cottoned on that its his fault.....
Iheartmysmart · 01/11/2020 07:44

@wanderings Great post! I can’t believe some of the comments on that thread. The amount of people who are just happy to blindly follow the roolz without question is really quite alarming.

BogRollBOGOF · 01/11/2020 08:14

@LivinLaVidaLoki

What I don't understand is looking at the slides its making the assumption that between covid and flu, the NHS will be on its knees. Looking at who is going into hospital with covid, it appears they would be the cohort more likely to be hospitalised with flu. So aren't they double counting to a degree? These people won't need two beds?
This. If your chances of not making it through the winter are pretty high anyway, you can't die from Covid in Nov/ Dec then die from the usual flu in Jan/ Feb. This peak will change the distribution of most vulnerable people who would not live out thr winter anyway.

Covid is just distributing a significant proportion of those deaths differently. It's not as simple as Covid + flu.

The slides were infuriating last night because of poor presentation and lack of context. Numbers of deaths mean nothing without context. I know deaths go up and peak after New Year (and who's going to bother mustering their final vestiges of will to live to exist that long under current circumstances), but not really what the normal range of that is.

Reedwarbler · 01/11/2020 08:19

Well I dare not go and read any other threads so I'll just stick with this one. We went out for a pub meal last night and to my horror our lovely landlady turned the telly on so we could all watch Boris! That spoilt my pie and pint. Mind you, it's her livelihood at stake - yet again.
I wish I could be like my H who just seems to take it all in his stride - just shrugged and smiled (unlike me with steam coming out of my ears).
I have written to my MP urging her to vote against the measures on thurs, but I don't hold out much hope as she voted against free meals for children the other week.

starfish88 · 01/11/2020 08:35

Great list wanderings! I'll be looking into some of those.

The frustrating thing with lockdown is it doesnt give imperial a chance to be proved wrong. When there aren't 4000 deaths a day they can say 'it's because we locked down imagine what it would have been like if we hadn't'. But if we peak before lockdown again, which is not looking entirely impossible from worldometer, I think that needs to be a point that is pushed far harder this time round.

110APiccadilly · 01/11/2020 08:43

Imperial really need to start making some falsifiable predictions. Like, for instance, what will happen with lockdown - they must have the tools to model that. Maybe they'll do a great job of that, in which case we could start believing them.

110APiccadilly · 01/11/2020 08:45

But if they can't correctly (within a sensible margin of error) predict what deaths will be, say in the next 6 weeks, with lockdown in place for four, then they should be ignored in future.

SirSamuelVimes · 01/11/2020 08:54

Gove is currently telling sky news it could be extended beyond Dec 2nd. Bastards.

DisgruntledGuineaPig · 01/11/2020 09:02

Right, booked a table for lunch in local restaurant for us all (even though I've got a chicken in the fridge).

Booked to take the dcs painting Christmas baubles today at a pottery painting place locally - we have done this every year since dc1 was born towards the end of November, the dementors are not stealing our family tradition.

Have booked to have my nails done tomorrow in the hour between finishing work and having to pick up dcs.

Need to pick up paint to repaint our bedroom that I wanted to do before Christmas.

November includes dhs birthday, so will try to pick up a card from one of the little gift shops in our town when there for lunch rather than give the supermarket all my money in November.

Need new foundation, might need to order that if the independent beauty shop in our town isn't open today.

Will take the dcs into the independent book shop before lunch and let them pick 2 each.

Basically, spending the next 3 days giving money to independent shops in our town. I want them to reopen in December.

I'm so angry at what the government is doing to our economy, but using the next few days spending my money in a way to try to prepare my family for lockdown and help give a boost to any small companies I can.

Taswama · 01/11/2020 09:10

My survival method here on MN is to stick to this thread and the two other long running ones I am on. Totally ignore 'Active' and not join any new threads.
I have a horse riding lesson booked (for me) on Weds. Doubt they will be able to stay open as a form of outdoor exercise somehow.

Littlebelina · 01/11/2020 09:16

@SirSamuelVimes

Gove is currently telling sky news it could be extended beyond Dec 2nd. Bastards.
Why oh why do they keep rolling out that useless cunt on a Sunday morning to say things that will later have to be clarified or denied
SirSamuelVimes · 01/11/2020 09:20

I just had a look on a thread about driving to exercise. (Oh look, it's march again!). There was the insane hyperbole of potential car accident / pressure on NHS shite, but there were a LOT more people saying of course, just do it, don't be ridiculous. That's heartening.

DD will get one more swimming lesson on on Tuesday before the pool closes on Thurs. Gutted for her. Yet to hear whether Rainbows can run next half term. Can't face talking about it to her yet, she's already upset she won't be able to see her grandfather for the next two weeks (flu spray & he's having chemo). Sad

northender · 01/11/2020 09:26

I'm late to the party but would love to join if you'll have me. I hid the covid topic a long time ago and have been lurking here. I have a Ds in y1 of his course at our local uni & dd in y11 so she is the biggest covid risk to our family as there is no distancing there, so nothing changes in that respect.
disgruntled I'm doing the same re independent local businesses. I posted on FB last night encouraging people to do the same & tagging some businesses.
We had already booked to go to a local pub tonight for pizza. Friends have booked a table too so that'll be good. My friend has a card shop so I'm going there tomorrow to get Christmas and lockdown birthday cards.
Trying to stay positive, but finding it hard and feel like I have no voice

Littlebelina · 01/11/2020 09:29

Would love to go support local businesses but waiting on test results here Sad. We had to isolate just before lockdown 1 as well.

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