Social collapse imminent?

[AdultHumanFemale]

DP and I have just been listening to R4 PM, and the unfolding conflict surrounding tiered regional restrictions. DP reckons we are potentially 6 weeks away from some degree of escalating social collapse in the UK, and should take precautions to insulate ourselves from the impact.
Prudent or unnecessary?
What measures might those of you who may be thinking along the same lines be taking?

@AdultHumanFemale

DP and I have just been listening to R4 PM, and the unfolding conflict surrounding tiered regional restrictions. DP reckons we are potentially 6 weeks away from some degree of escalating social collapse in the UK, and should take precautions to insulate ourselves from the impact. Prudent or unnecessary? What measures might those of you who may be thinking along the same lines be taking?

No deal brexit will push up food costs 20% at a time when people are unemployed or on reduced pay.

No Deal brexit also means major delays of deliveries which the government is planning massive lorry parks to accommodate.

Councils are likely to start going bust in the new year.

And over 30% youth unemployment is traditionally linked to civil unrest in every kind of society.

So I'd say thats there is going to be a pretty big issue early in the new year.

@frumpety

What does he mean by social collapse ? all of society , the whole shebang ? because the only way to insulate against that would be fleeing the country , is that his plan ?

I have a spare bedroom in New York because DS is at uni. Payment in gold or bitcoin only and you have to like cats.

@LizzieMacQueen

There was a news report of somewhere's civil unrest after the introduction of no more than 5 people meeting up. Can't remember which country but think it was Europe.

So @AdultHumanFemale , your DH may be right after all.

Just looked it up. It was Bangkok so altogether quite a different regime.

Can anyone remember the post about the Government being able to take money directly from our bank accounts? I'm trying to track it down, I'm sure it was on a 'cost of Covid' thread!

Get your DP on the radio, quick!

All these post about things like "rioting" and "social collapse" are rubbish - possibly increasing moaning and "anger" on MN and social media.....

People have been saying this since Covid first appeared.

There's much hyberbole here and I say that as somebody pushing 50 who has lived through a couple of riots in my home city.

My parents are war babies. They grew up in poverty in 'the slums' and life was hard. By the 1960s society had changed again. Their parents had it even harder.

Every generation who grew up in the face of devastation must have wondered if they would see a "normal" world in their lifetime.

I'm not saying their won't be untold damage, but I have to believe this can be repaired in my children's lifetimes.

Nope....it will be too cold, dark and wet for that kind of thing, we’ll all be in watching Strictly.

Switch the country off and then switch it back on again.

I'd be suprised if there have been no riots by this time next year

@Fluffycloudland77

No, it’s winter now. Everyone will be inside till April.

This

For your health and safety they are all in this together....

@MissConductUS what a lovely offer , I do very much like cats, but can't unfortunately offer gold or bitcoin, would a kidney do ?

Are mince pies in the supermarkets yet? The answer might influence my answer.

No societal collapse though protests by Covidiots may increase. Even Brexit omnishambles probably wouldn't lead to societal collapse, just some protests and amusing massive cognitive dissonance by pro-Brexiters to avoid having to remember the provocative parroting of 'You must be a complete idiot if you think the German car manufacturers won't order Frau Merkel to order the European Union/Commission/Parliament/something else they poorly understood to give the UK everything we want', the 'oven ready deal', the 'easiest deal ever', the 'great NI deal' that then needed potentially international treaty-breaking legislation without anyone but Boris and Gove and the rest of the current Cabinet', the 'it's actually easy to reconcile access to the single market, buccaneering trade agreements with the US to import chlorinated chicken and not breaking the Anglo-Irish Good Friday Agreement' and so on.

Societal collapse would result when people see the effects of something else.

@AdultHumanFemale

DP and I have just been listening to R4 PM, and the unfolding conflict surrounding tiered regional restrictions. DP reckons we are potentially 6 weeks away from some degree of escalating social collapse in the UK, and should take precautions to insulate ourselves from the impact. Prudent or unnecessary? What measures might those of you who may be thinking along the same lines be taking?

Let me get this right and please do give me some rope OP.

Talk to me like you would talk to a Labrador, just so I can understand what you are saying here.

You listened to Radio 4 and as a result you think that by 26 November - give or take - we will be at some kind of 'civil war' inside this country?

unfolding conflict surrounding tiered regional restrictions

You are easily swayed. If so then I am very pleased.

Putin is someone I have always admired and his Russian Bots are fostering everything at the moment. Brexit, Trump, Covid, Mumsnet even.

Yep they are here.

What does "social collapse" mean?

Will we have to eat our children?
Read Hello magazine?

Unholy “ Are mince pies in the supermarkets yet? The answer might influence my answer.”

Yes, they are. Not sure how it affects the answer though!

If there’s civil unrest, I think it will be summer.

If social collapse means sitting on the sofa watching the news and shouting "Fuck off, you useless twat" every time our illustrious Prime Minister BoJo the 🤡 appears...I'm there already.

I don't think enough Brits can be arsed to do civil unrest, but it's not the case in other countries and these will all have knock on effects.

When I say 'war' I don't think we'll really see anything like WWII, full on bombings, but possibly 'terror' type random, scrappy strike, cold-war posturing and tension, and generally more unpredictable and hostile background to everything.

It's 2020.

Most people have neither the will nor the strength necessary to actually do anything about what they are moaning about...especially if it's bitter out.

A bit of civil disobedience, maybe...so long as they're unlikely to get seen by anyone holding one of those fine issuing gizmos.

I think the USA election result will trigger a lot of violence over in the States (doesn’t matter what the result is), and I think we will have protests in the UK on the back of that, which could turn very nasty. I don’t think we have any easy years ahead.

I am already hearing of a rise in shop lifting and burglary cases. People are getting desperate and will do anything to make ends meet.

This: “ I think those of us my age (40s) have seen the best years of the world we're going to live in now. Worst of all, our kids have sad

Between covid, Brexit, political populism and environmental disaster the relatively stable world most of us grew up in in Europe and US is gone and there will be disorder, shifting governments and quite possibly war on the cards.“

@UnholyStramash

Are mince pies in the supermarkets yet? The answer might influence my answer.

Yes.

Word of warning though, the Morrisons Black Forest ones are awful. 🤢