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Just trying to live a meaningful life in an increasingly bizarre world in which nothing makes sense any more.

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I am sure I read that this app cannot tell for how long you have been near an infected person, so you could have literally just walked past someone in the street, you will be bleeped or whatever, and then told to get tested or isolate. Please tell me I imagined reading this, because it doesn't sound right to me.

I'm a bit puzzled that a few bars/restaurants seem to be saying you have to use the app to scan the QR code for track and trace. Why can't you just use your phone camera to do it, like I have been so far? Am I being thick?

@Ghostlyglow

I'm a bit puzzled that a few bars/restaurants seem to be saying you have to use the app to scan the QR code for track and trace. Why can't you just use your phone camera to do it, like I have been so far? Am I being thick?

I think I read somewhere that it's a different QR code? But I'm a fuddy duddy who only found out how to work QR codes in the last couple of weeks, so I might have misunderstood

My hairdresser has asked all customers to download it. But also said not to worry as they can take paper details. They have been trading for forty years. A lot of their customers are over 60.

a. I have no idea how to work a QR code.

b. my phone is from 2014

@Reedwarbler the Scottish one says if your phone has been within two metres of a confirmed case for fifteen minutes, I think.

We have a drawer full of phones going back years, am going to dig an old one out if it gets too dementory when out and about.

Trinity college really taking the biscuit now.

www.theguardian.com/education/2020/sep/16/cambridge-college-threatens-to-evict-students-if-a-covid-19-outbreak-occurs

Just checking in so I don't lose any more sanity! Thanks for being a lifeline! Xx

@justasking111

These dementors want to remember that uni. towns and cities keep their businesses open all the year around. Rather as tourism does. I was amazed at how cheap and plentiful goods and services are in Leeds compared to where we live.

People complain bitterly about our uni, forgetting that students make up about 20% of the city's population, when they're all here. Freshers arrive this weekend, so I shall give the city centre a miss for a few weeks. It's mad when they first arrive at the best of times. Queues for the tesco metro will be the full length of the street - not that there's any shops left on that side of that street!

Exam halls were the original social distancing set up!

That trinity college thing is so fucked up. Where is the duty of care?

I was in London last week and in a pub in Bloomsbury for about an hour full of non socially distancing students. It was wonderful. Sorry, but it was. I realised what normal used to be and how far we have come from it.

If its within 2 meters for 15 minutes you might have been in our cafe for 20 minutes but 20 feet away from the person positive! All they want on the forms is date and time so everyone round that time will be contacted. You might not be anywhere near them for an hour if you are just chilling out with a coffee till you have to go somewhere!

How the Scottish app works

@Ibake All ok here, thank you for asking. It's actually totally bonkers, with the Premier making an unprecedented grab for further enforcement powers, but I've become very politically active, as have many, many others, and I think we can defeat the legislation when it goes to our upper house. We are getting about 14 positive swabs per day (about 8 if you remove aged care from the stats), and we are under house arrest basically, apart from 2 hours per day. Absolutely crazed, but many people support it. We have nothing to fear but fear itself - I finally have some kind of context in which to apply that famous phrase. I'm amazed how much of history resonates with me now.

As to the app, I'm convinced, given our experience here with the utterly useless app we had early on, that is an exercise is testing compliance. So, how many will download it, without sanctions to enforce it? How many employers will begin to demand the app of their employees? Then the state can step back and let us police one another.

It's also a step toward this. The totalitarian tiptoe. Digital passports were mentioned in the 'leaked' moonshot documents. A small trial of this one commenced in Ireland a month ago.

There was actually a huge amount of resistance to the app when it was first introduced here. The government had to emphasise that it was voluntary and that employers could NOT require it of their employees. Amazing, on reflection.

I can't believe that article about Trinity college. I would say, mess with students at your peril Boris (look at Paris in the past, or Grosvenor Square in the 60s). I can't see them sitting quietly if they are told to lock themselves in at Christmas, or conversely are locked out and denied the education they've paid for. I am now wondering when (not if) a major backswell against a lot of this nonsense will start. Even Rishi is saying we've got to learn to live with it (according to the papers).

DDs normally undementory school sent a letter round yesterday from the local council requesting masks at drop off and pick up. The answer is no. Bloody performative’safety’ measures.

Well we are now just one week from half term here in Scotland and amazingly there haven’t been closures. I honestly didn’t think we’d get this far.

I too wondered if the app download were some form of compliance check. I’m not an RTS activist... I just like bimbling around on my own and getting on with my own stuff. I try to avoid any interaction from clipboard wielders.

Got a village newsletter through the door yesterday. They’re positively salivating at the thought of a FULL lockdown. You can indicate your preferences for requiring food bank provisions. Part of me thinks it would be wise to indicate I might need help at some point - the rebel in me wants to say I’ll organise a rave for the teens.

I am a lurker but just popped on to say

My husband’s nanny died last week. She had cancer and sepsis and heart failure and a lung infection. We didn’t know any of this till she was admitted to hospital. We didn’t know this till she was admitted because hospitals are only for covid. But anyway her number was up regardless bless her heart.
Anyway she hadn’t seen any of her children or grandchildren or great grandchildren for six months and now she’s gone. And we can never see her again and she can never see us again all for a disease that is causing 1% of the deaths in the country. I know we aren’t the only ones. And I know that we need to protect the vulnerable but the last six months of her life she missed out on so much.

Reed,

Did you see the master of Trinity College is Sally Davies, England’s chief medical officer?

The Guardian article is also misleading saying that they will be thrown out if there is an epidemic. As far as I can see, they will be thrown out if they break Covid behaviour guidelines. There will always have been a similar clause about obeying college rules. The only difference is the speed and severity of the sanction.

I suspect that they would argue that this sanction is IN ORDER that the majority of students can get the education that they paid for, rather than vice versa.

And, as ever, I suspect the majority of the student body will take this with relative equanimity. They are a bright lot at Trinity and they have plenty of other options study-wise if they want to switch unis.

Sorry for your loss rosie but welcome to unlurk land.
The world is fucked up. I’m getting worried about dd2 again who seems to be internalising the stress from the school environment somewhat. She was flipping out last night over needing clean stuff every day - which she has on (even when they schedule PE days back to back) but she just couldn’t let it drop at all and went on and on fretting about the virus living on her clothes. Her mental state is quite fragile still anyway so I think a word with school might be in order - except we are not allowed to approach staff at all and have to give messages to the designated runner with post it notes to relay to teacher.

It’s crap if you have a child with communication difficulties.

@Reedwarbler

I can't believe that article about Trinity college. I would say, mess with students at your peril Boris (look at Paris in the past, or Grosvenor Square in the 60s). I can't see them sitting quietly if they are told to lock themselves in at Christmas, or conversely are locked out and denied the education they've paid for. I am now wondering when (not if) a major backswell against a lot of this nonsense will start. Even Rishi is saying we've got to learn to live with it (according to the papers).

The most the lot at ours world manage to muster would be some sad selfies and a mildly irked Instagram post!

If we end up with any on my course stuck alone for Christmas I’m bloody well offering to bring them to spend it in my house with my kids! (I worry about our couple of lovely overseas girls). No scary rhetoric coming from our top brass yet just a lot of “look you know the city has had a shit time - please don’t add to it” requests, but the freshers haven’t even started yet. They’re still trying to pair the existing bods on my course up with the new first years too- both with a few going in face to face and us all virtually - long standing system that they’ve kept going this year. That’s the advantage of our course in that it’s so small though- I fear for those in an intake of hundreds

My bosses son is being dropped off for his first year at uni. Knowing how is wife feels about him goingI think the biggest risk to the locals is flooding.

@RosieLemonade I’m so sorry for your family’s loss. This is all so wrong. Should your children have given her covid 6 weeks ago you’d probably not be clamouring to claim a life ripped away.