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ADs Not Flouting, Not Flaunting not even Brazenly Defying.

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RealityExistsInTheHumanMind · 24/09/2020 14:11

Just trying to live a meaningful life in an increasingly bizarre world in which nothing makes sense any more.

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Taswama · 26/09/2020 19:08

Also just read that Matthew Parris article. Although I don't agree that laws against coercive control are unnecessary, his point about the public being the public being able to make decisions on anything not specifically covered by law is interested.

Littlebelina · 26/09/2020 19:09

@Taswama

Oh god, I'm glad I've never used that one! DP got a dirty look in the queue outside Waitrose this afternoon for not wearing a mask. Apparently everyone else was, even though they were stood outdoors. They have re-instated their security guard monitoring numbers due to volume of people.
I noticed more queues today in town and the one way system in the main shopping bit reinstalled. Some shops had got more relaxed though
justasking111 · 26/09/2020 19:18

Llandudno was as busy as high summer today. Friend had 8 tables in restaurant cancelled yesterday for today. Then today had them all booked up again. So I guess some are hiding away again and some are saying sod it.

RealityExistsInTheHumanMind · 26/09/2020 19:44

I was in one of Sheffield's student areas today. They were all over the place. Looked like second years though as they all seemed to know their way around.

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justasking111 · 26/09/2020 19:55

Right John Bishop has perfected the home test for covid. A lorra laughs.

DominaShantotto · 26/09/2020 21:37

Just mooched onto the student room forums and there are a hell of a lot of very upset new freshers on there having shitty times and wanting to drop out (and in some cases being kept in the building by campus security).

The shit is seriously going to hit the fan about the uni situation sooner or later - it's horrendous.

BogRollBOGOF · 26/09/2020 21:52

All quiet at my supermarkets... I should drive the food home I suppose!
I haven't been out so late on a Saturday night for yonks Grin

110APiccadilly · 26/09/2020 22:10

Oh terrific - my gym (which is owned and run by a uni) have decided to close to all except students. Back to the sea it is I suppose. They say if you do it often enough you can cope with the cold through winter...

Willow2017 · 26/09/2020 22:17

[quote justasking111]Right John Bishop has perfected the home test for covid. A lorra laughs.

[/quote] Brilliant. I knew I was doing something right😉
TheOrchidKiller · 26/09/2020 22:20

I feel for those students. Usually I'd think, "give it time, it'll get better." Not so sure at the moment. It can't be much fun.

When I was a student, & then later living in shared houses after graduating, the first thing we did when we got a new housemate was go to the pub to break the ice.

My first night in halls I arrived much later than everyone else & missed the welcome talk & tour. The warden had noticed this & knocked on my door to say hello. I was painfully shy & wouldn't have gone to the canteen for dinner, had he not sent a "buddy" to get me.

justasking111 · 26/09/2020 22:28

@DominaShantotto

Just mooched onto the student room forums and there are a hell of a lot of very upset new freshers on there having shitty times and wanting to drop out (and in some cases being kept in the building by campus security).

The shit is seriously going to hit the fan about the uni situation sooner or later - it's horrendous.

Just had a peek at the student room. Some very odd replies on there to a students sadness about think of the war how many died for you and other shit that I just cannot believe was written by young people. There are some accounts there that I suspect are manned by much older people. Very odd indeed.
Eve · 26/09/2020 22:42

I read this on fb and thought a very good analogy and a useful response to those taking a swipe at very worried parents like me

Whilst our students are officially adults, they are baby adults, new to all that life is currently throwing at them, and we need to be aware of this. It's a bit like coming out of the driving test centre having passed a driving test and being made to drive through London in rush hour and along the M25. They're finding their way and experiencing independence but they do also need that safety net even if they never use it.

TheOrchidKiller · 26/09/2020 22:51

Eve I hope you're doing ok tonight.

That's so true about students being baby adults.

BogRollBOGOF · 26/09/2020 22:56

I'm still adjusting to being a real grown-up over 20 years later Grin

It seemed crazy that I was an adult, and uni was far more fun than being a teenager had been, not helped by an over protective mum and a draining best friend with serious, complex issues.

I'm gutted that these young people are having that stolen from them when it's such a short phase of life that you don't get back.

justasking111 · 26/09/2020 23:04

On of the regulars on the AD threads has been missing for a time I had a root around and they are fine still posting. I was relieved, funny that.

HeIenaDove · 27/09/2020 00:11

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/shoppers-plea-heart-after-screaming-18956448

Shopper's plea from the heart after screaming face mask row in Sainsbury’s
"I don’t wear a mask for a reason, you don’t know my reason, so maybe think before you have a go"

A woman has apologised and asked for understanding after swearing at another shopper who had a go at her for not wearing a face mask in a Sainsbury’s.

Alice Speller, who has complex post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and a possible borderline personality disorder, took to social media to apologise for her angry outburst. But she also asked for others to be more understanding of those who are exempt from wearing face masks.

Alice, who visited the store with her husband Terry, wrote: “I went to our local Sainsbury’s today, it’s not easy for me to do this, anxiety is high for me, just the mere thought of having to go.

"Fear of judgement from others, as I cannot wear a mask, my husband has to take a good while reassuring me, convincing me I will be fine. Walking into store, I try and focus on getting through the shop with no major issues.

“I hear over the tannoy kind words stating be aware that not all can wear masks, to be kind, etc. Finally some consideration to those who do have issues, whether it’s mental health or others.”

Alice sneezed twice into the arm of her coat while in the store, Cornwall Live reports.
She added: “Finishing up the shopping, heading to the checkout, paying for the items, I turn to see a furious face inches from mine. My anxiety kicks in, too close, I don’t do people too close, my heart skips a beat, as she yells in my face: ‘If you can’t be bothered to wear a mask at least cover your mouth with a hanky when you sneeze.’

“I reply I had used my sleeve and hand, my coat was slightly damp, she shouted: ‘No you didn’t and not to be so rude.’ She uttered other words, but I couldn’t hear,

“My fight mode kicked in, I shouted back, I felt a panic attack kicking in, I screamed at her to not judge when she doesn’t know me, as she walked away her head held high, as people stopped and stared, as the tears started to run down my face, I hope whoever you are, that you are proud of your two minutes of shouting into a woman’s face, not knowing her.

“Kind words would have gone much further, but instead you went into full attack. Maybe Covid scares you, maybe you have been affected by it, but that still gives you no right to scream at another so close, but you obviously can’t be too worried, as you were so close, the two metre rule didn’t exist, your mask wasn’t fully up either.

I don’t wear a mask for a reason, you don’t know my reason, so maybe think before you have a go, If you had walked over to me, and said kindly, I saw you sneeze and you didn’t see you use a hanky, is everything OK, etc, we could have had a chat, but you didn’t.”

Alice, from Bodmin, said: “My husband has since spoken to the store, to apologise for my outburst, wanted to make it known that I know I was wrong and to say sorry, but they didn’t care for that, all they cared for was whether I was OK.

“I’m fine, but I’m not OK.”

Terry told Cornwall Live after the incident: “We have decided to speak out to help other people who are suffering.

“We understand the rules and how things are. I wear a mask when we’re out, and if I see a family and one of them isn’t wearing a mask, I automatically assume there is a reason.

“I don’t judge and I wouldn’t want anyone judging my wife.”

He added that even leaving the house is a struggle for Alice. She can only manage it if she is accompanied by Terry or one of their four children.

“Going into a supermarket heightens her anxiety as she has a fear of being in big groups of people. So she was already on edge. If this woman had an issue, she could have just said, ‘excuse me, can I have a word?’ but she was instantly in her face and Alice’s anxiety went through the roof.

“All the attention and focus on my wife led to a panic attack and she did react and swear at the woman.”

Terry said that the store was very appreciative and supportive when he apologised for the incident.

“She was embarrassed and it’s made her more cautious to go out.

He stressed that others should consider that some people may have endured traumatic incidents where their faces have been covered, meaning wearing a face mask or shield can bring on negative feelings.

Following the incident on Tuesday, Alice took to Facebook to apologise to the woman she shouted at.

“This morning I had a public outburst and I wish to apologise to anyone who witnessed it. I don’t feel proud of what I did, but sometimes you simply cannot control a reaction to a situation.

If the lady who approached me is on social media, or if anyone knows her, as I am sure she may mention to someone about a crazy lady screaming at her, please can she read this [Alice’s explanation as featured above].”

A Sainsbury’s spokesperson said: “We are asking everyone to continue playing their part in helping us to keep everyone safe in our stores. Posters are displayed inside and outside our stores and there are regular tannoy announcements asking customers to wear face coverings but also be considerate of those who may not be able to wear one.”

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SirSamuelVimes · 27/09/2020 08:57

Morning all.

Anyone else looking forward to Xmas now? I think I'm just wishing the next couple of months away - if I could wake up tomorrow and it was about December the fifteenth that'd do nicely. Have started thinking about Xmas presents - got a couple of bits out away for DD1 already - and made a start on my own list to avoid the usual situation of being asked in December what I want and having no idea. I know by the standards of the Mumsnet Christmas board this is practically last minute madness Grin but for me it's early! 🌲

DominaShantotto · 27/09/2020 09:05

Morning - I can't quite bring myself to look forward to Christmas for fear of how they'll fuck that one up by then. I'm just looking forward to next week's timetables being released and some more work being put online to give me something to do. This is what my life has been reduced to.

WouldBeGood · 27/09/2020 09:11

I’d quite like to look forward to it but it’s a bit fraught because of family upheaval and tricky people, never mind the Rules.

Ghostlyglow · 27/09/2020 09:19

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_pet_massacre?wprov=sfla1

I didn't know about this until someone told me about it yesterday. Interesting reading

BogRollBOGOF · 27/09/2020 09:20

My next date is my race on 19th October. Hopefully our steady trickle of cases after our surge in March and the dopey location of the race should avoid any lockdowns.

I suppose I should get out of the car and do my run to train for it. The radio has cut off so my watch has stopped charging so my procrastination excuses have halted Grin

SirSamuelVimes · 27/09/2020 09:21

I'm fairly lucky in that Xmas for the Vimes house should be pretty easy this year. My parents live in the same town, so we will split the main meals / days between our house and theirs. If the magic circle of six continues we will be legal, as that's how many of us there are. If it's changed by then I will simply add whatever fine exists by then onto the Xmas budget. There's no way I'm not going to spend Christmas day with them - my dad will have just finished chemo, he deserves a Christmas with his granddaughters. The in-laws are a bit more problematic as they have some definite dementoring tendancies, and are currently in a local lockdown area. But FIL is a grumpy fucker and makes spending time with them at Xmas difficult anyway so I won't be too upset if we can't get together with them.

I hate that I'm just wishing time away though. It's one of the (many) reasons I left teaching, I was always on countdown to the next break, and I wasn't able to enjoy life because I was just limping along to the end of the countdown.

110APiccadilly · 27/09/2020 09:22

I'd like to look forward to Christmas, but the big joint Christmas service (which is genuinely my favourite bit) is not exactly likely to be happening this year. Still, by the time it happens, I'll probably be too busy trying to keep the new human alive to be as bothered as I am right now!!

DominaShantotto · 27/09/2020 09:22

The students in Manchester who had made the post-it notes signs on their windows (which I admired in the use of all the new stationery mum's packed them off to uni with) have been told they must remove them and not communicate in that lighthearted way with the outside world now.

They are quite literally being kept prisoner.