ADs dream of 'bum' tomatoes, gin and tonic sorbet and next year's holidays

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Hi all - occasional lurker and poster, who's not been around for a while. This was partly because I had a busy work week last week when several deadlines coincided, but also because I went away for the weekend to see a good friend who I'd not seen since February. Although we've been whatsapping and zooming and so it, it really hasn't been the same, so it was great to catch up. It was very normal and nice.

On the not-bright side, I've still got flights to Italy in early October, and a few days ago was starting to think that it might actually be possible to escape to Rome before the winter comes down (which I dread at the best of times). And now infection rates are starting to rise there, so I need to keep an eye on these and - perhaps - develop an alternative plan. I'd be ok with self-quarantine when I returned, but I don't want to be in Rome if all the things that make it wonderful are closed or just not very enjoyable.

I can't wait for schools to go back and I don't have any DC.

The hysteria around schools starting in England is everywhere in the media. I think when they go back there will be a few outbreaks which will be over reported to stoke the fear but then will die down. It was the same with every event of reopening. It's the one major event the government need to get over in my mind to reassure the public that are still baying for full lockdown that life has to continue.

Checking in to the new thread feeling slightly hungover from wine and Chinese takeaway last night.

We have gone ahead and booked Greece for next year. Hopefully all this crap will be over by then because I feel quite worn out with it all now.

I was looking at holidays for next May and it seems so much more expensive than it usually is. I suppose there's an element of supply and demand (everyone too scared or unable to go this year booking next) and recouping losses.

Just seen a news article about the return to school and saw this comment:

"I know I'd rather keep them home safe, than send them to school not knowing if I'll get a phonecall telling me my child has been taken away for 14 days quarantine"

A few people commenting that they quarantine at home but so many people jumping in that the govts coronavirus act means they can be removed for quarantine for 14 days (obvious bullshit). Then going on about it being a cover for govt paedophiles.

I cannot believe people believe this shit.

@BogRollBOGOF we picked one of the NT lists yesterdayformy 2.5yr old and she's already done about 20 on there! I grew up in the suburbs whereas she's growing up in a small village in Somerset and although I get family telling me 'don't you want to move back to civilisation?' I'm thrilled we decided to move here
During lockdown we could walk down to see horses, cows and sheep every day and the lady who runs our local saddlers let's DD sit on one of the horses which she loves!

I'm the same with schools although DD is going back to nursery from the 2nd, we've also increased her days as well so I'm probably one if the worst kind of parents. It all made me realise I'm not good at the craft and staying at home part of parenting but when I can take her out for walks or to NT properties and gardens I'm in my element. I just find my style of parenting and trying to teach her relies on being out of the house otherwise I end up using the tv far too much, DD seems fine though, hasn't developed square eyes yet like I was always warned

The schools thing will pass. The media & the dementors work themselves into a panic every time something new reopens, and then a few weeks pass without the sky falling on anyone's head & life moves on. Remember how people going to the beach & queueing for IKEA were going to Kill Us All back in the mists of time (ie June)??? Then October will roll round & they'll have moved on to trick or treating or whatever

Anyone else also really fascinated by the complete lack of melodrama over nurseries & other preschool settings? I think it shows how much the schools melodrama is being hyped up by the unions.

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Anyone else also really fascinated by the complete lack of melodrama over nurseries & other preschool settings? I think it shows how much the schools melodrama is being hyped up by the unions.

There's been barely a whisper yet they've been very much near notmal for nearly 3 months. Toddlers are the ultimate in gross, snotty, non-personal space too

I always was a get out of the house mum. My DCs are simply not interested in sitting and reading or crafts or baking or anybof that civilised, wholesome stuff that was so April 2020. Getting us out has always put us onto a closer wavelength.

With schools, I have lost my caring. I used to be on the PTA, suppose technically I still am, because I really liked my children's school and I wanted to help it stay that way. But now, I don't know, I am not sure if ours will really reopen or how dementory it will be. And I don't really care either way. I feel totally apathetic.

Then again, as I said to DH yesterday, my main feelings now are apathy, futility, anxiety, despair, and depression. There are pockets of happiness when I look at or hug my family or manage to do something nice for them but the other feelings come back.

I too have a slight cough and now I feel it's impolite to go anywhere unless I am sure I won't cough so I feel a bit trapped. I know that's irrational but there it is.

Just checking in after a rather dull rainy weekend.
Head has nearly exploded at some of tye posts in the Covid section so this week's resolution is to avoid.
I did like the Good News thread but it seems to have developed a couple of tenacious Ds.

I actually left the Y6 class parents fb chat group in May...it got too dementory.
So many posts about not sending kids back - Y6 were back in bubbles from June here.
In the end after all the gnashing of teeth only one of ds2s classmates didn't return (lives with and elderly gp)
Although one parent took her ds out for the last week because of the "pubs and restaurants opening" (?)
This same person was away for weekends in this period as fb shows (?)
Baffling.
My dc are both going back. I'm not too concerned but all the rules/mask wearing etc will be a bit grim for them.
My town has had 4 deaths from Covid-19.
4.
All elderly people in hospital or nursing homes.
I don't know anyone who has had it locally but think dh brought it home to us end of Nov from China (not wuhan).
He had a sore throat, ds2 got a cold but ds1 was quite ill. Coughing up blood. I was fine.
We'll never know I guess.

@BogRollBOGOF stargazing: how lovely!
I'm thinking of starting a "50 things to do to cause a second wave" list. It would include VE Day congas & queuing outside Primark, having two walks per day in April & disregarding the arrows in ASDA.

I have a few days off in a row now. Can't go away anywhere. I have managed to do my back in, doing bloody online workouts, in an attempt at self-improvement. I'm sitting here with a wheatie clamped to my back, trying to think of short, flat local walks with a cafe that we haven't done three times already. Marvellous.

@ISaySteadyOn I know that feeling of apathy.

@LivinLaVidaLoki that comment about children being taken away to quarantine- what? Something similar was said to me in March, that NHS workers would be randomly sent to the Nightingale hospitals & if they couldn't get childcare their children would also get sent to foster care.

I pointed out that social services & foster care are over-stretched anyway so this wasn't going to happen. But no, I was told I was wrong.

Head has nearly exploded at some of tye posts in the Covid section so this week's resolution is to avoid.

I think I'll have to remember to do that till schools are back - I think it will get worse till then and first few weeks.

I do think there will be increasing rates in winter - whether schools go back or not but some schools may have out breaks and they'll be dealth with locally.

My areas gone from 2/100,000 covid cases to 6/ 100,000 to 4/ 100,000 people this week - we're over 100,000 people but if you were rounding you'd round down to 100,000 so there's very few actual people with it here.

In March/April we were a big hotspot so we are much better now. So I think we're in a good position to open schools.

I keep seeing comparisons to the US schools but their state with lowest level is currently Vermont which has 250 per 100,000 people and their worst Louisiana with 3075 per 100,000 people. They're clearly in a very different place to here.

Are there any netballers among the ADs? I'm hearing about netball possibly being allowed back near the end of September, albeit a modified (vomit) version: when stationary, stand four feet apart instead of three, no shouting allowed. (How dare Boris take away our exercise, and then have the nerve to tell us that we're fat.)

when stationary, stand four feet apart instead of three...

I think this was how I played netball anyway. I was at the back of the queue when they handed out the Good-at-PE- genes.

I need to change my name to The Adventures of the Tory Bot, don't I? I don't know what came over me, sharing the news I did on the other thread but there you go, I think I genuinely thought it would reassure someone, even if just a few people - it is such reassuring news despite what everyone is saying on the other thread (Stupid me, I had forgotten WE ARE ALL DOOMED). Anyway, I am thinking back to the sheer terror that existed around people going to the beaches and to the pubs and back to work on trains in the last few months and, and, and...... and yet no massive spike in cases or deaths? Frankly I feel we've been cheated.

Never mind. I learnt my lesson to stay here (apparently I've not yet had it drummed into my skull. Stay off the school threads. I don't even blimming have children but I do have nieces, nephews and friends with children I care greatly about and obviously want them to be ok.)

I've also had a suicide plan in place, since the age of 13 which is a bit sad really but I also think it has got me through some exceptionally difficult times - it's like an exit door which is comforting just because you know it's there. I have no doubt really that I will never use it - in fact I'm going to live until I'm 105 and outlive everyone I know. Really, I'm just feeling incredibly fragile at the moment. I just need to focus on one day at a time. I'm doing a lot of walking too though so that's good. Grateful to have this thread even if you are all dangerous reality deniers

Did you all see this nice article? reaction.life/we-may-already-have-herd-immunity-an-interview-with-professor-sunetra-gupta/ I love Gupta - isn't she beautiful, too? Her skin is to die for.

Thanks, Wishing. Good article!

The frothing has started about schools going back as a school in Scotland has closed. It seems some people want to be the first to announce it and declare that schools are unsafe.

I always used to try and reassure people @TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair but Ive come to see on MN that most people don't want reassurance. They are loving the drama, loving being a part of something and having so many people agree with them.

They don't want reassurance, they want others to tell them how right they are.

Every positive point is countered with "that's rubbish", "wishful thinking" or ""

Every bit of information given is criticised to the nth degree unless it says there'll be a second wave in two weeks.

A while ago I posted on a school thread. Posted some studies I had been given by our director of Public health to help me understand the risk. Thought others may find them useful.

Every reply. Every single one accused me of just lifting them from a guardian article (no I didn't) and then jumped on "so why do these studies recommend 2m distancing". I pointed out they don't. They don't make any recommendations. They are studies into transmission. The Govt. Make the recommendations, the study gives the data. I got the same thing over and over about the 2m. So they are arguing the toss about something they haven't even read.

So I don't bother anymore.

I couldn’t help it. 😈

Thanks for the article @theadventuresofthewishingchair

I feel quite emotional reading it. It feels like we have done so much of this all wrong.

I am also feeling very sorry for myself, in pain, & DH was supposed to be coming out for lunch but he's stuck with a work problem. This is supposed to be my holiday.

Unfortunate Professor Gupta is a woman, talking calmly and rationally, and her skin colour is wrong. The media only want white male dementors to create click bait headlines.

@TheOrchidKiller have an unmumsnetty hug. Hope your afternoon improves.

I had a bit of time to myself today. DH encouraged me to go and wander round the shops to get out the house. Grabbed my mask and thought I would maybe see a few things I wanted but it was more miserable than even I had anticipated.

Couldn't wait to get outside the shops to take my mask off so I didn't have to breath my hot breath anymore. Queues to get in. Seems to be less stock on display. The only things I were tempted by I couldn't be bothered to buy because I couldn't try them on and there is no way I was returning. That has made my mind up for good. No shopping in person until normal returns.

I'm a long term poster on these threads but randomly name changed...anyway on the masks in schools that Jenny woman is saying no...

She said the precautions that had been put in place in schools, such as rearranging classrooms so that children did not sit face to face, reduced the risk that required the use of face masks: “We also need to think through the sort of psychosocial effects of masks for children. It is a learning environment, and we need them to learn for life.”

and also less risk to children than flu...

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/covid-19-risk-to-children-lower-than-flu-or-traffic-accidents-xdb5rgcj7

also on the Gupta one something more on Sweden today having lower rates than France and going well there...

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/sweden-claims-fall-in-coronavirus-infection-rate-is-down-to-immunity-nnsm6v7mw