Lose a stone in 21 days - is anyone watching?

[Cheeseandlobster]

It just seems like a shameless plug to make Michael Mosley money.

Lots of chat without science "this is good for your erm mental and physical health". Weird comments including that how long you can stand on 1 leg with your eyes shut is reflective of your life expectancy. Showing off how many push ups he can do. And getting his whole family in on it. I usually enjoy programmes like this but not sure about this one.

Anyone else?

@justanotherneighinparadise

Why is it easier?
I’ve not heard that one (gives me hope...!)

I think that long term obesity causes metabolic changes meaning that it can be harder to reduce weight permanently once you have been morbidly obese. Gaining 10 lockdown pounds can be easier to shift but I don’t think it’s great to air a programme on prime time tv that advocates 800 calories. It’s bound to lead to issues. Advocate low carb by all means but let them eat more than 800 cals. The title is also pretty bad. For most people, 14 lb in 21 days is neither safe nor sustainable. Nor is it necessary. If you want to change your mindset about food and eating, you have to accept that it’s a long slog. Expecting the results of potentially years of feeding your body the wrong stuff to be reversed in weeks is totally unrealistic.

'The science' keeps changing. It used to be that low fat/high carb was preached as a means to weight loss, hell, it used to be drugs were routinely prescribed.

Just use your common sense and your brain rather than following any diet.

YANBU, he's become a sort of Jamie Oliver of dieting, all about using his entire family to enrich himself.

Diets lead to disordered eating, all you need to do is read any weight or eating thread on here to see that. I mean, WTF 'bananas are really sugary' and an another thread people telling a person who has a history of anorexia not to do Pilates as it won't lead to weight loss. Moving is good, do what you love that gets you moving most of all or the likelihood is that you won't do it and that goes for HIIT and weight training. Again, 'the science' used to preach it was aerobic exercise you needed to lose weight. It changes all the time.

Bruce Lee put it best 'No way is the way'.

3 stone is a lot though. Especially with increased risk from Covid. And it's easy to just continue gaining from that point because you are already miserable about being overweight and end up thinking the problem is insurmountable. So you carry on eating biscuits. Quick results might spur a person on to continue eating well.

Can only speak for myself but I found meal replacement shakes to be utterly miserable and left me continuously hungry.

[quote KrabbyPatties]@justanotherneighinparadise

Why is it easier?
I’ve not heard that one (gives me hope...!)[/quote]
It was in a video with Jason Fung that I posted on another thread recently. I think it was to do with set point and how when we put on weight gradually our set point changes. Our body actually fights to keep at our set point and will adjust metabolism accordingly to go back to it. So if you’ve put on weight relatively recently you are working with your body to lose it. Whereas if you e been that weight or thereabouts for 10 years or so you’re working against your body as it’s trying doggedly to keep you there.

@InDeoEstMeaFiducia

'The science' keeps changing. It used to be that low fat/high carb was preached as a means to weight loss, hell, it used to be drugs were routinely prescribed.

Just use your common sense and your brain rather than following any diet.

YANBU, he's become a sort of Jamie Oliver of dieting, all about using his entire family to enrich himself.

Diets lead to disordered eating, all you need to do is read any weight or eating thread on here to see that. I mean, WTF 'bananas are really sugary' and an another thread people telling a person who has a history of anorexia not to do Pilates as it won't lead to weight loss. Moving is good, do what you love that gets you moving most of all or the likelihood is that you won't do it and that goes for HIIT and weight training. Again, 'the science' used to preach it was aerobic exercise you needed to lose weight. It changes all the time.

Bruce Lee put it best 'No way is the way'.

That dogma was never based on science. It was a punt. They either blamed sugar for high rates of cardiovascular disease or they blamed fat. They went for fat because of the fat plaques they found in the artery walls of heart attack patients. Interestingly what was actually causing the heart attacks were smoking! But the tobacco companies were VERY happy to allow fat to take the blame which is when food producers got behind margarine and low fat everything.

Apparently, if you leave mushrooms out in the sun for two hours before eating them it will increase the vitamin D content “a hundredfold”! Who knew?!

Yeah I had heard that. M&S had a range of Vit D enhanced mushrooms last year. I think all the suppliers are exposing the mushrooms now (ooh er!)

Michael Mosley must be laughing all the way to the bank. He seems to have become the go to person for anthing to do with weight loss. He often seems to be in the Daily Mail with his weight loss programmes ( usually accompanied with a full colour supplement ) and has had numerous programmes on TV. Kerching.

@seasonsoftheyear

Michael Mosley must be laughing all the way to the bank. He seems to have become the go to person for anthing to do with weight loss. He often seems to be in the Daily Mail with his weight loss programmes ( usually accompanied with a full colour supplement ) and has had numerous programmes on TV. Kerching.

It's his Jamie Oliver moment.

My dad's heart doctor told him that fat wasn't the problem since it passed through the arteries - the problem was sugar, which made the arteries rough and then the fat stuck to them. Which is why fat was blamed - in post mortems it was fat that was seen clogging up people's insides.
Lots of carb junk food is that combination of fat and sugar, which we are biologically designed to crave, once we eat any of it. Which makes healthy eating difficult in a society where we are surrounded by the stuff.

There's been a backlash about him showing how simple it is for all us fat fuckers to lose a stone - yes, as a poster above says, if you only eat 800 calories a day then sur-fucking-prise of course you will lose a lot of weight!!

This. I could easily lose a stone on 800 cals a day. Wouldn't be a stone of fat and wouldn't be healthy or sustainable, so what would be the point when I can lose 6-7lbs in 21 days eating well, eating enough and keeping it off!

Yeah I had heard that. M&S had a range of Vit D enhanced mushrooms last year. I think all the suppliers are exposing the mushrooms now (ooh er!)

I am claiming ExposedMushroom as my next username.

@Deathraystare

Apparently, if you leave mushrooms out in the sun for two hours before eating them it will increase the vitamin D content “a hundredfold”! Who knew?!

Yeah I had heard that. M&S had a range of Vit D enhanced mushrooms last year. I think all the suppliers are exposing the mushrooms now (ooh er!)

And that explains why there are so many photos of mushrooms in the sunshine running through my newsfeed 🤣🤣

If anyone is genuinely interested in the science behind fat sugar and cardiovascular disease I can find the link to the podcast with a cardiologist I listened to recently. It was fascinating.

If posters want to know the story behind the low fat hypothesis, look up both american Ancel Keyes and Brit. John Yudkin. Keyes was blaming fat, Yudkin said carbs were the issue.

@justanotherneighinparadise

If anyone is genuinely interested in the science behind fat sugar and cardiovascular disease I can find the link to the podcast with a cardiologist I listened to recently. It was fascinating.

I think you must watch all the same people I do. Everything you post, I could have written myself.

I’m just obsessed with listening to the doctors talking about it. It’s keeping me sane over the looooong summer holidays 🤭

@justanotherneighinparadise

I’m just obsessed with listening to the doctors talking about it. It’s keeping me sane over the looooong summer holidays 🤭

Yes, the doctors and others I watch are so interesting, I love learning the science behind keto and low carb. In fact, I believe that anyone following the keto/lchf lifestyle, should learn the science behind it as my theory is that people will stick to it if they can actually understand what is happening to their body. This is particularly important for those people who fail to maintain the lifestyle. I read so much false information on here.

I really want a continuous glucose monitor. No idea if they’re even available in the is country, but I want one!

And I completely agree that there’s no point in following low carb/Keto unless you understand it fully. Once you see you can’t unsee and there’s no way I’m going back to eating as I was previously. Plus my constant gingivitis is now magically cured! That’s reason enough to carry on as even my hygienist couldn’t sort it.

Yes, there are some quite unusual side benefits to keto. I would agree with the not unseeing bit and I find the thought of the foods I used to eat quite unpalatable now.
I would imagine you could buy the CGM on amazon.

@DarklyDreamingDexter the mushroom/vitamin D thing blew my mind too!

I’ve managed to convert my DP too who had a nasty autoimmune condition that made him really tired and generally under the weather. He feels SO much better now. Can work more effectively and doesn’t get that most lunch fatigue many of us accept as normal.

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That is good going with your DH, well done, mine unfortunately is a harder nut to crack.