Lose a stone in 21 days - is anyone watching?

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It just seems like a shameless plug to make Michael Mosley money.

Lots of chat without science "this is good for your erm mental and physical health". Weird comments including that how long you can stand on 1 leg with your eyes shut is reflective of your life expectancy. Showing off how many push ups he can do. And getting his whole family in on it. I usually enjoy programmes like this but not sure about this one.

Anyone else?

There is a lot of good science behind it try reading “Life without Diabetes” by Dr Roy Taylor. Dr Taylor is a practising specialist in diabetes in the North East and has a strong research background in this field.

@gassylady do you know if it says anything about high fat?

I am currently doing Michael Mosley low carb/keto diet but it says you need to eat foods high in fat which I am really struggling with as it's so different to anything I've done before and sounds wrong - double cream!!
I have cut out most carbs apart from vegetables and a few berries but in 5 weeks I have only lost 2lb overall so I am wondering if you NEED to eat high fats?

I think an awful lot of people don't understand the concepts around this way of eating sadly. Leflic and gassylady talk sense

@RubyFakeLips

Bananas cannot be quoted to a chocolate biscuit but they are sugary.

If your diet is mainly whole foods and little added sugar then of course a banana is a great source of potassium, B6 and other essentials. However, if you, as so many do, eat a diet with lots of added sugar (it really is in so much) and carbohydrate rich foods then a banana and other tropical fruit is just fuel to the fire. The banana’s nutritional value is completely diminished by the fact it is contributing to sustaining blood sugar at a higher level.

Fruit having to much sugar is not true in isolation, but in combination with most western diets where fruit and sugar are both in abundance it does contribute to the problem.

I believe this programme is a simplified televised version of his book on the subject from some years ago. I think that includes meal plans.

Bananas are at the lower end of the glycaemic index.

I do t mind someone making some money if the information they are conveying is accurate, scientifically supported and raises awareness.
I looked for a dietitian in my area and can only find nutritionists related to exercise. I would love to find someone who did a baseline study on blood sugar, fat content, muscle content, cholesterol etc and monitor progress of these but most will only take weight height and BMI (which I can do myself). Also there is evidence that men and women react differently to different diets including intermittent fasting so would like to be educated by a dietician but unfortunately this doesn’t appear to be widely available despite the well documented obesity crisis
I do t particularly have any love for MM but enjoy these shows as they give information as well as case studies.

I don't think eating a banana is going to kill you but they were demonstrating the rise in blood sugar levels if you eat them. Personally, if I was going to eat something which raises my blood sugar level, I'd rather have a packet of minstrels and a vitamin pill - same calories, same nutrition. It's wasted on a banana!

Dr Ranjan Chatterjee's advice and explanation of health and diet is much better.

Dr Chatterjee

@Ihopeyourcakeisshit It does have pictures

@byprovidenceimpoverished Yes, I agree that would have been helpful. I'm a vegetarian and a lot of the recipes are meat heavy but there are interesting veggie ones too. Losing weight can be quite tricky when your veggie I think as you can't just have a bit of fish/chicken and veg. I usually eat meat substitutes but as they are processed I can't now.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously that made me laugh,
I've washed down a multivitamin with a glass of wine on occasion.
I'm not quite sure what justification I have used but it would have made sense at the time

I didn't like the sound of his voice.

@TonTonMacoute.

Yes to Dr Chatterjee, a medical doctor not a science doctor & journalist.

@Hammer12 Dr Taylor basically says it doesn’t matter how you do it it’s the degree of calorie restriction that matters to try and lose fat from liver and pancreas. In his studies people use meal replacement shakes plus veggies. But it also says it can be done using real food no particular types are preferred. Difficulty in using food is accuracy in amounts and therefore calories in.

@gassylady Thank you. I'm going to give it a read.

@Hammer12

It’s not a diet to lose pounds to look better though. The point of this diet is that your core fat levels ( fat around your organs), your blood sugar and the fat in your blood improves.

Yes I understand this but if his current diet is 3000kcals and he cut this to 2000/1500Kcals by cutting out junk and eating healthily, would that not be improving all those things and be more of a long term solution?

Did you watch the first programme? It explains well, the benefits to starting off with a very tight diet.

Everyone knows you would lose weight if you halved your intake but if you knew how to stop at one price of pizza or cut portion sizes you wouldn’t be fat.
Diets fail because people find a way around them, don’t lose much and then can’t be bothered anymore. This one is quick. It changes your mindset, there’s no capacity to cheat.

The long term solution happens naturally because you lose your taste for processed sugar and carbs. You get into the habit of mindful eating rather than eating first and then working out what to do about them afterwards.

Best diet = eat what your grandmother ate

So much scientific advice on diet over the years has been wrong. Makes it hard to trust current scientific advice. And rarely do they talk about psychology e.g. why do people eat unhealthy foods or too much food. There is an addictive quality to some foods typically those with fat, sugar and salt. If you don't address the why you will never succeed in long term weight loss.

Did you watch the first programme? It explains well, the benefits to starting off with a very tight diet.

Yes I did but I was confused as I have always heard that you shouldn't crash diet as you end up failing and bingeing on twice as many calories which is why overweight people tend to stay overweight or put weight back on.
But that does make a lot of sense as it's easier to work out portion size if your body is used to having smaller meals and as you say once you stop eating so much sugar your body craves less of it.

Best diet = eat what your grandmother ate

Yes I agree actually! They never had all the processed stuff we do now.

I find Dr Clare unbearably smug and dull. Michael has a much nicer bedside manner.

[quote goingtotown]**@TonTonMacoute.

Yes to Dr Chatterjee, a medical doctor not a science doctor & journalist.[/quote]
Michael Mosley is a medical doctor

Best diet = eat what your grandmother ate

My grandmother ate cream buns all day, was a size 22 and died prematurely of heart failure. Not the best advice I’ve heard tbh

I'll second that. My gran lived on pies and jam roly poly

Michael Mosley is a medical doctor

Hasn't worked as a dr since he qualified, he's a journalist.

He’s a documentary maker & journalist who hasn’t practised since qualifying 25 years ago.

@Hammer12

Did you watch the first programme? It explains well, the benefits to starting off with a very tight diet.

Yes I did but I was confused as I have always heard that you shouldn't crash diet as you end up failing and bingeing on twice as many calories which is why overweight people tend to stay overweight or put weight back on.
But that does make a lot of sense as it's easier to work out portion size if your body is used to having smaller meals and as you say once you stop eating so much sugar your body craves less of it.

I think the crash diets you are thinking of are quick weight loss ones; cabbage soup, the water, maple syrup lemon and cayenne pepper thing or existing on grapefruit for a week. You lose weight, fit into a smaller dress size but you’re back to normal two weeks later because it’s unsustainable. . This is about visceral fat not weight. After two weeks your core is smaller, you feel more disciplined and less hungry and it’s second nature to eat normal meals with just with protein and veg.

But I’ll shut up now! I am not related to MM ! It was the only time I’ve ever had a flat stomach and still ate three meals a day.

Did anyone else notice the tension between him and his wife. He went to pick up the grocery bag in Episode 1 and she fairly snatched it back from him.
Ithink they’ve had a tough lockdown together.

Do they even see each other in that big house am jealous