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The joy has been sucked out of everything

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supadoopa · 24/07/2020 22:36

Let me start by saying I’m in Scotland so this isn’t about masks per se, but about the whole silly dance we are being made to do in order to go about our lives at the moment.

I went to a shopping centre today and won't be back.

It’s the first time I’ve worn a mask for any longer than a quick run into the local coop. I was probably in the centre for an hour and a half but there was sweat pouring down my neck. I felt suffocated and silenced. Hated it.

My baby looked at me like I was a monster and my toddler couldn’t hear me when I talked.

But it wasn’t just masks that were the issue. There was a ludicrous one way system, which makes absolutely no sense to me if we are wearing masks and social distancing. Then every shop had a makeshift entry and exit and their own one way system which no one was observing.

At every turn I was being monitored by security guards, eyeballing me in anticipation of a wrongdoing, ready to pounce.

Almost every shop had a guard on duty forcing you to rub gel on your hands and that of my child before entering.

There were queues everywhere. All but one set of toilets shut, so queue for that too, and toilets themselves as dirty as ever because so many people using the same ones and no cleaning.

Inexplicably in most shops all but one set of tills were shut, again forcing people to congregate in long queues.

All the restaurants were again inexplicably closed apart from, yep, McDonalds and Costa. Both under small enclaves at the back of the centre. But in them you are allowed to take your mask off and eat off a table more or less. But in the main, high roofed wide open walkways of the centre, the mask must go back on.

The shops had little stock.

When I dared approach an M&S assistant to ask for a size (with a visor on like all the rest of the assistants at an angle that perfectly channels their exhalations directly at the person they’re talking too) I was barked at as if I was a naughty schoolgirl to the extent that I put the item back on the rack and walked out without buying anything.

Does anyone else think this is all utterly ludicrous?

Shops will not survive this.

We are all adults with our own minds and perfectly able to manage our selves. Why make masks mandatory if we then have to do all this makeshift posturing to appear to be avoiding each other when really we are being herded closer together.

As someone who you might consider a “hobby shopper” as in it’s one of my pastimes (and I’m not interested in any opinions about having a better hobby, if there weren’t millions like me there wouldn’t be any shops at all). I’m someone who will browse and buy, will pick up bits I don’t really need but just want. I will spend my money happily- if the experience gives me pleasure.

But now I think it’s going to be online for me. I won’t be back at the shopping centre. I won’t be visiting our city centre either as it’s just the same.

OP posts:
BogRollBOGOF · 25/07/2020 12:17

@Russellbrandshair

I haven't read any poster here telling people with mask anxiety or lockdown depression to STFU

Oh I have. Not specifically this thread but at start of lockdown there were lots and lots of absolutely vile posts where the self proclaimed superior people would call others murderers for merely saying they were finding lockdown hard. The only thing that mattered was Covid. Anyone who died of anything non covid related, children and women from abusive homes, those who had their cancer treatments stopped and those who were suicidal due to lockdown didn’t matter one jot. It was revolting.

There's been a lot of suck-it-up type responses to people's physical and mental issues about masks too.

It's OK to be anxious about Covid and not let you children off the property in 4+ months.
It's not OK to be anxious about having your airways restricted as you go about your business Hmm

Bollss · 25/07/2020 12:18

@GrumpiestOldWoman

Because they give a shit about nothing but themselves and not getting Covid.

Yes but not getting covid is a reasonable thing to want to do isn't it? You cannot possibly be saying that they should risk catching covid in order to protect the environment?

Using disposable masks because they can't be bothered washing a reusable one - now that's unreasonable.

Nobodies saying they should risk catching covid. There are reusable options. I don't use single use wipes at home. I don't use a single use mask outside of work either.

Reusable masks are just as good as disposable ones in terms of protecting the user (because neither do that anyway!)

And a reusable cloth and disinfectant are fine to clean with at home just as they always have been.

Soap and water are good enough where covid is concerned anyhow.

SengaStrawberry · 25/07/2020 12:18

Yes but not getting covid is a reasonable thing to want to do isn't it? You cannot possibly be saying that they should risk catching covid in order to protect the environment?

But how does endless use of single use items prevent it? As mentioned above people can use bars of soap. They can wash bags or shopping if they are that way inclined with hot soapy water. They can wash crockery and cutlery in hot water. Wipes, carrier bags, plastic cutlery etc are not essential tools in stopping the spread of Covid. People just don’t care.

amusedtodeath1 · 25/07/2020 12:21

Well this went from someone having a moan to AD agenda real quick didn't it?

Ladies, I agree with you to some extent, it's not great, i don't like the situation, but there's fuck all anyone can do about it, and yes some people did take it to ridiculous extremes but they're the exception now.

Whether you agree with the way things are or not we cannot change it, getting worked up about it is only hurting you.

And whilst I agree that Scotland and southern England are seeing progress the North isn't doing good at all, in fact I'm waiting for my test to come back and I feel like utter crap tbh.

Please can we just stop judging other people and get on with it?

BogRollBOGOF · 25/07/2020 12:21

@BlusteryShowers

Some of the guidelines are very wasteful. I'm no longer allowed to send my son to nursery with lunchboxes- it all has to be in sandwich bags. I didn't realise the first couple of times and they just binned about 4 items of brand new Tupperware! Angry
The schools' ones are ridiculous. There is no more danger from reusable lunchboxes than there is from a disposable bag. If Johnny is harbouring Covid, he's going to have breathed it over the table and classmates anyway and the lunch box or his crayons are a moot point anyway.

DS2 is moving up to juniors. Normally he would be alloweda pencil case and it's a nice little thing that they get exicited and feel grown up about... not this year.

MintyMabel · 25/07/2020 12:29

my toddler couldn’t hear me when I talked

I'd have his hearing checked.

Downwardfacingdoggy · 25/07/2020 12:29

It's not OK to be anxious about having your airways restricted as you go about your business hmm because no other countries manage ok do theyHmm

GrumpiestOldWoman · 25/07/2020 12:30

Yes sengastrawberry but the complaint shouldn't be that they don't want to catch covid, it's that they're not willing to inconvenience themselves even slightly if it benefits the environment.

To be fair I think that many businesses are struggling with being 'covid secure' and it's relevant that if they are deemed not to be then that has implications on their ability to trade at all. Some of the single-use items may be better for them because the risk assessment is simpler if an item is single use than if there are extra processes. Staff wearing reusable masks - who washes them, who is responsible for staff getting a correctly cleaned one back, how do they ensure they aren't mixed up, should staff be washing them at home and how to police that it's done correctly. Urgh - if you're a business it's much easier to simply buy a box of single use ones and hand them out at the start of shift. And for easier read 'more certain that you'll comply with the rules, be allowed to stay open, and not have to send staff home'.

rookiemere · 25/07/2020 12:31

@amusedtodeath1 surely we're allowed to question what are and aren't effective measures of controlling levels if infections? We don't live in a communist country - yet - so we are allowed debate. STFU and do what you're told is not a reasonable response.

MonicaGellerBing · 25/07/2020 12:33

I got told off in Tesco for trying some shoes on. No signs up to tell me I couldn't. The shop assistant had hidden and watched me try them on and then when I put them back as they didn't fit she jumped up behind me and told me to hand her the shoes as they'd now have to go into quarantine for 4 days.

But if I go downstairs in Tesco I can touch all the groceries I want, put them back, cough on them do whatever but they are ok to go straight back on a shelf. It's absolute fucking madness.

There were 3 new cases of Covid in the whole of my geographical area yesterday but yes let's quarantine shoes for 4 days.

Safe to say I won't be back to their clothing department

Nannewnannew · 25/07/2020 12:40

I hear you OP. I went to a fabric/wool shop last week who were only allowing 4 people in at a time, fair enough, but just as I arrived a grandmother arrived with her daughter and grandson so all 3 went in. There was already 1 customer in the shop. I was stood outside for nearly 30 minutes until the 1 lady came out. I was cross and disappointed to find that only the grandmother was browsing/ buying so the other 2 had no reason to be in there. Despite waiting nearly 30 minutes to go in I really felt pressured to hurry up, particularly by the staff, but was also conscious that other customers were waiting outside. As you say, the joy has been sucked out of the experience. It will be a long time before I go back.

Lubeylube · 25/07/2020 12:44

Agree, I went Thursday as a last day of freedom but had to return something yesterday and hence wear a mask. It was not a nice experience. Sweaty, couldnt see anything on any lower shelves as my glasses constantly steamed up. I was desperate to get out and get the mask off and get some fresh air. I have breathing difficulties anyway, so definitely won't be putting myself through that again. Both my husband and myself commented that we couldnt see shops existing if people have to wear masks.

Pikachubaby · 25/07/2020 12:45

I agree OP, it is all bonkers

It makes no sense, it’s bloody random rules and restrictions

I won’t be shopping for “fun” any time soon, nor have my hair cut, beauty treatments, etc

Am buying everything online, am buying less “stuff” this is all good for the planet and my bank balance... but if everyone does this the economy will tank

But yeah, I’m out.

Masks, gloves, one way systems, no touching, no trying on, stressful atmosphere etc mean I will be avoiding all shops and malls

Alloverthegrapevine · 25/07/2020 12:50

Yes, that's exactly it Lubeylube. If I really needed wool, I'd wear a mask "for the greater good"/to comply with the rules and get in and out as fast as possible. Over that last few months I've completely reassessed what I "need" though and have managed without a lot of things I might otherwise have bought and now, will continue to do so.

Which may be a good thing for the environment but not everything I buy (very little actually) is tatt destined for landfil, plus while I'm put normally, I feed the parking meters, buy a coffee or a sandwich, maybe treat myself or my mum to some flowers.....

SengaStrawberry · 25/07/2020 12:51

Thing I keep thinking about too is if they’d implemented any kind of hygiene/distancing/queuing/masks in the first place it might actually have helped keep infections down in the first place and we might be getting nearer to normal. As opposed to everyone cramming in like sardines in early March stockpiling pasta and bog roll.

Downwardfacingdoggy · 25/07/2020 12:55

All the people with steaming up masks - it’s a sign it’s not fitting right. Get one with a vent and a nose clip and that problem is solved. It seems it’s the cloth coverings that make people uncomfortable and as they don’t seem to offer much protection time to switch?🤷‍♂️

Bollss · 25/07/2020 13:01

@Downwardfacingdoggy

All the people with steaming up masks - it’s a sign it’s not fitting right. Get one with a vent and a nose clip and that problem is solved. It seems it’s the cloth coverings that make people uncomfortable and as they don’t seem to offer much protection time to switch?🤷‍♂️
Unless you're wearing a proper mask, can't think of the name, that they use in healthcare settings, they will never protect you anyway! And if you don't use them properly you won't protect anyone else.

They're all as useless as the next in terms of protecting the wearer, and they're only as useful as the wearer makes them in terms of protecting others.

TheGreatWave · 25/07/2020 13:02

I thought that masks with vents were advised against. From the US but the same info.

www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/facecoverfaq.html

Bollss · 25/07/2020 13:03

@MintyMabel

my toddler couldn’t hear me when I talked

I'd have his hearing checked.

How rude. It's fairly obvious that a mask will muffle what you're saying. DS who is 4 found it harder to understand me when I was wearing one. There is nothing wrong with his hearing.
rookiemere · 25/07/2020 13:03

And who wants to be buying multiple versions of masks?

Bananaman123 · 25/07/2020 13:04

100% agree op, i went to livingston and ended up a sweaty uncomfortable mess. My skin is broken out from using mask and i can only use it longer than 10 mins if i put contact lenses in which i dont get on with too well with. People were not sticking to one way system, some shops like skechers was impossible to distance, one way systems in shops didnt work either.

I agree with the measures put in place by the Scottish government but wont be shopping til i can stop wearing masks

BrandyandBabycham · 25/07/2020 13:05

Haven’t RTWT but I still think the masks rule now is like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. I work in retail & every time I sold some masks, customers said the same.

RollaCola84 · 25/07/2020 13:06

I agree OP, its not about the mask everything is joyless and shit.

Being barked at to use the shop's hand sanitiser (yep that every other bugger today has touched, seems legit) rather than my own, being told off for "touching" items in shops, closing off sections of tills and areas making even more queueing. Its just shit.

I can live with wearing the mask, I don't like - who does, but if the government is trying to encourage shopping to support the economy then some shops need to think about how they're treating their customers.

wanderings · 25/07/2020 13:12

there's fuck all anyone can do about it
I totally disagree.

I think that one reason Her Majesty's Clowns are dragging these pointless restrictions out for so long, while cases are now very low, is because we're meekly putting up with it, not asking questions, hanging on Saint Boris's every word, fighting with each other instead of scrutinising the government, parroting slogans such as "new normal", "we have to suck it up", "we're all in this together" (like fuck we are) and being the docile, terrified, obedient children they want us to be.

Although it's very hard for us to hit back directly, especially at the ballot box (wouldn't we just love to wipe the smirk of Boris's face that way), there are certain small ways we can fight back: mostly with our wallets. We can spend our money in the shops which don't enforce petty roolz. We can write to our MPs, telling them we can see through their leader's tactics. We can avoid going to places which are full of restrictions, even if Boris is saying "Look, children!! Having terrified you all into submission and obedience, I've opened the pubs for you!! Aren't I generous!! Go in and spend lots of money which you don't have, because I stole your jobs and income, so the pubs can give it to me!!"

Are we at risk from a virus? Maybe we are; but I think we're much more at risk of sleepwalking into government by deception, fear and mind control.

rosiethehen · 25/07/2020 13:13

Our local B&M stores changed venue lately and whoever owns the carpark has began ticketing those who stay for over an hour.

The trouble is, the queue for the store is nearly half an hour and there are fast food restaurants in the area and a CurrysPCWorld, so a visit can easily extend to two plus hours.

Shops simply don't want me to visit anymore. Fair enough, I won't.