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The joy has been sucked out of everything

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supadoopa · 24/07/2020 22:36

Let me start by saying I’m in Scotland so this isn’t about masks per se, but about the whole silly dance we are being made to do in order to go about our lives at the moment.

I went to a shopping centre today and won't be back.

It’s the first time I’ve worn a mask for any longer than a quick run into the local coop. I was probably in the centre for an hour and a half but there was sweat pouring down my neck. I felt suffocated and silenced. Hated it.

My baby looked at me like I was a monster and my toddler couldn’t hear me when I talked.

But it wasn’t just masks that were the issue. There was a ludicrous one way system, which makes absolutely no sense to me if we are wearing masks and social distancing. Then every shop had a makeshift entry and exit and their own one way system which no one was observing.

At every turn I was being monitored by security guards, eyeballing me in anticipation of a wrongdoing, ready to pounce.

Almost every shop had a guard on duty forcing you to rub gel on your hands and that of my child before entering.

There were queues everywhere. All but one set of toilets shut, so queue for that too, and toilets themselves as dirty as ever because so many people using the same ones and no cleaning.

Inexplicably in most shops all but one set of tills were shut, again forcing people to congregate in long queues.

All the restaurants were again inexplicably closed apart from, yep, McDonalds and Costa. Both under small enclaves at the back of the centre. But in them you are allowed to take your mask off and eat off a table more or less. But in the main, high roofed wide open walkways of the centre, the mask must go back on.

The shops had little stock.

When I dared approach an M&S assistant to ask for a size (with a visor on like all the rest of the assistants at an angle that perfectly channels their exhalations directly at the person they’re talking too) I was barked at as if I was a naughty schoolgirl to the extent that I put the item back on the rack and walked out without buying anything.

Does anyone else think this is all utterly ludicrous?

Shops will not survive this.

We are all adults with our own minds and perfectly able to manage our selves. Why make masks mandatory if we then have to do all this makeshift posturing to appear to be avoiding each other when really we are being herded closer together.

As someone who you might consider a “hobby shopper” as in it’s one of my pastimes (and I’m not interested in any opinions about having a better hobby, if there weren’t millions like me there wouldn’t be any shops at all). I’m someone who will browse and buy, will pick up bits I don’t really need but just want. I will spend my money happily- if the experience gives me pleasure.

But now I think it’s going to be online for me. I won’t be back at the shopping centre. I won’t be visiting our city centre either as it’s just the same.

OP posts:
Jellycatspyjamas · 25/07/2020 10:49

It might be tempting to think this but our economy, on a good day, needs this level of consumerism and now having been totally shredded it needs it even more.

We need to rethink our economy then, an economic system build on ever increasing levels of consumption is disastrous for our environment.

I’m one who does like shopping but having seen the difference in our household budget, the amount of rubbish we produce and having realised just how cluttered the house is with things we don’t need I’m definitely not going back to old spending habits. There has to be another way to live, to manage our economy than encouraging whole to buy things they don’t need.

I think we’re in for one hell of an adjustment and can’t help think it might not be a bad thing.

Bollss · 25/07/2020 10:49

[quote IceCreamSummer20]**@TrustTheGeneGenie* you’ve not even bothered to read my posts. I’ve repeatedly said that mask wearing will help shop workers who have to work all day in that place, not just be in it out of choice for 1.5 hours. And I’ve also said at least twice to the OP that I can have a certain sympathy with the OP that it is annoying and inconvenient and that a small moan is understandable. I’ve described how I’ve also had to adjust and that it is not easy. However the OP and others like yourself are ridiculing ‘mask wearing’ or other positive actions for other PEOPLE in order to help others not get Covid19 and calling me and others ‘do gooders’ for daring to say that there is a difference between a small moan and ridiculing actions that are going to help other PEOPLE not have a horrible time with Covid19 including shop workers. When I mentioned that shop workers have to expose themselves to more of a risk and wear a mask all day to the OP then she retorted that people had been made redundant from her company so shop workers should be lucky or they could join the back of the queue. OP has shown absolutely zero care for the anyone other than herself. And nor have you. Nothing you've said suggests you care about others. You simply care about covid.*[/quote]
Shop workers don't have to wear a mask all day though do they?

I haven't claimed to be showing care for everyone else though. That's what YOU have claimed. But all you care about is not giving people covid. Unfortunately covid is not the only thing in the world to harm people.

I do care about other people, but actually it's human nature to put yourself and your family first.

I wear a mask at work because I have to but also because their are actual vulnerable people there who don't understand social distancing, who can't wear masks, who are unable to protect themselves.

People in a supermarket should understand social distancing and shouldn't need to come within 2m of me. This has worked fine so far, and, even in normal life I don't tend to get up close and personal with strangers.

I think the high street will die a death because of this, people will lose their jobs, their homes etc. I care about them but I equally won't put myself through a really miserable experience and spend lots of money to essentially punish myself.

I think the government have really fucked up with this and it scares me how people blindly accept it "for the greater good" whilst totally ignoring all the other potential consequences.

Alloverthegrapevine · 25/07/2020 10:52

I don't think it is because people are bored or frustrated, it's because they're now more worried about the consequences of carrying on like this, than the mostly small remaining risk due to covid.

Of course, the situation needs to be monitored and if there are localised increases, there need to be acted on swiftly but people still aren't getting their cancer screenings, many people are still leading largely isolated lives, young people, especially, are losing jobs by the 1000s with no prospects for any kind of future, DV is through the roof and who knows what horrors will be uncovered when children finally return (or don't return) to school?

Jezebel101 · 25/07/2020 10:54

I think there's a bit of a zero sum attitude here. People will adapt or change their habits, but life will go on. Shop staff and customers will get used to the situation and the confusion over where to be or whatever will end.

It helps if you buy washable, 100% cotton jersey, masks. They are much more comfortable to wear - just make sure there are enough layers of fabric. From experience, there is a world of difference between wearing a disposable polypropylene mask for an hour vs a cotton jersey one.

What we shouldn't do is decide not to bother. The economy needs people to spend, and your town or city needs you to spend local. If we turn our backs on retailers until we're all vaccinated, we might only have a wasteland of shutters where our favourite coffee shops and stores used to be when we're finally free to move around normally again.

It's not the same, but it's doable and us humans are adaptable. Wearing masks isn't nonsense, gatherings of people are touchpaper and the virus is a naked flame. It only takes one person shedding it in public to shut a city down again.

Longwhiskers14 · 25/07/2020 10:54

@Jellycatspyjamas

It might be tempting to think this but our economy, on a good day, needs this level of consumerism and now having been totally shredded it needs it even more.

We need to rethink our economy then, an economic system build on ever increasing levels of consumption is disastrous for our environment.

I’m one who does like shopping but having seen the difference in our household budget, the amount of rubbish we produce and having realised just how cluttered the house is with things we don’t need I’m definitely not going back to old spending habits. There has to be another way to live, to manage our economy than encouraging whole to buy things they don’t need.

I think we’re in for one hell of an adjustment and can’t help think it might not be a bad thing.

I think this is absolutely spot on. We needed a cultural shift away from consumerism, because it is killing our planet. Which, in the scheme of things, is definitely worth wearing a mask for.
Russellbrandshair · 25/07/2020 10:57

Shop workers don’t have to wear masks though. Yesterday I went into Tesco’s - staff faces completely uncovered. Then went into marks and Spencer’s staff faces completely uncovered.

I find it a bit odd that customers have to wear masks when shop staff wear nothing.

Sisterwives · 25/07/2020 11:02

@Longwhiskers14

It's not so much about the very, very low rates of community transmission, it's the fact I and the other people in the shop are wearing masks and used alcohol hand gel at the door.

So why still be stuck a metre behind the person stuck in front? Or not be allowed to nip to the other side where no-one is?

Even if I happened to be so unlucky to be in a shop with one of the 1:4000 or whatever it is people who is infected, or I am the 1:4000, we've got masks on and have just used alcohol gel on our hands. How are we going to infect each other? Even if we came closer than a metre?

That's why all the measures at once are absolute overkill and not necessary.

I'll be going out for lunch today for the first time in months (hence the birthday card) and will be indoors in a large room with many more people (even if fewer tables its a big space so will hold a lot) none of whom will be wearing masks as we'll be eating. Everyone will be chatting, laughing etc. Even then I have zero worry of contracting CV but I can't try and get past someone in a shop when we've disinfected our hands and are wearing masks?

Makes no sense. At all.

dementedma · 25/07/2020 11:02

Just been to Debenhams in a shopping mall.shop was very warm. Me, the woman in front in the queue and the shop assistant adjusted, lowered or fiddled with our masks several times. Saw two people wearing them over their mouth but not nose, and a few people not wearing any. There is no way this law can be policed or effective@

SengaStrawberry · 25/07/2020 11:02

*Ah yes. "The greater good"

Like in hot Fuzz. Ever watched that?

You know who bleat about the greater good? Cults.

One big mask wearing do gooding "we care about others" cult.

The thing is you only care about others when it suits your narrative. Because you don't give two shiny shits about ops wellbeing do you?

Only covid matters. You can only "save" people from covid. You don't care if they die or suffer from something else.*

Exactly. And woe betide anyone who might want to have a moan about how things affect them. You must now only ever think about Other People at All Times and your own needs and wishes are unimportant. If you ever do have a moan about the current situation and how it affects your life you are Selfish and Irresponsible, need to think more about Other People and how you could be in ICU /Dying of Covid and how would you cope in the war/living in Asia etc. Just fuck right off. People can follow the rules, know things can be much worse for other people, but still find it shit.

Russellbrandshair · 25/07/2020 11:05

Exactly. And woe betide anyone who might want to have a moan about how things affect them. You must now only ever think about Other People at All Times and your own needs and wishes are unimportant. If you ever do have a moan about the current situation and how it affects your life you are Selfish and Irresponsible, need to think more about Other People and how you could be in ICU /Dying of Covid and how would you cope in the war/living in Asia etc. Just fuck right off. People can follow the rules, know things can be much worse for other people, but still find it shit

Couldn’t agree more. Also it’s laughable that the people worried about covid are selfless beings who truly care about others when in the very next breath they are telling people with mask anxiety or lockdown depression to shut the fuck up and just deal.

Empathy my arse. They aren’t remotely empathic or caring. What a joke.

IceCreamSummer20 · 25/07/2020 11:08

[quote Sisterwives]@Longwhiskers14

It's not so much about the very, very low rates of community transmission, it's the fact I and the other people in the shop are wearing masks and used alcohol hand gel at the door.

So why still be stuck a metre behind the person stuck in front? Or not be allowed to nip to the other side where no-one is?

Even if I happened to be so unlucky to be in a shop with one of the 1:4000 or whatever it is people who is infected, or I am the 1:4000, we've got masks on and have just used alcohol gel on our hands. How are we going to infect each other? Even if we came closer than a metre?

That's why all the measures at once are absolute overkill and not necessary.

I'll be going out for lunch today for the first time in months (hence the birthday card) and will be indoors in a large room with many more people (even if fewer tables its a big space so will hold a lot) none of whom will be wearing masks as we'll be eating. Everyone will be chatting, laughing etc. Even then I have zero worry of contracting CV but I can't try and get past someone in a shop when we've disinfected our hands and are wearing masks?

Makes no sense. At all.[/quote]
It is the holey cheese risk analysis. None of these measures by themselves is 100% effective, but like a few slices of hokey cheese, put 2 or 3 together and there is less chance of a ‘hole’.

As we get more evidence then this can be tailored to the most effective ones, and also for individual risk too. Already kids under 10 seem to be less ‘spreaders’ as far as we know, so less need to wear a mask etc.

PrimeraVez · 25/07/2020 11:10

I live in a country where masks have been mandatory for several months. That includes children aged six and above, who will be expected to wear them when they return to school in September. It also approaches close to 50 degrees here most days at the moment.

SengaStrawberry · 25/07/2020 11:10

@Russellbrandshair

Exactly. And woe betide anyone who might want to have a moan about how things affect them. You must now only ever think about Other People at All Times and your own needs and wishes are unimportant. If you ever do have a moan about the current situation and how it affects your life you are Selfish and Irresponsible, need to think more about Other People and how you could be in ICU /Dying of Covid and how would you cope in the war/living in Asia etc. Just fuck right off. People can follow the rules, know things can be much worse for other people, but still find it shit

Couldn’t agree more. Also it’s laughable that the people worried about covid are selfless beings who truly care about others when in the very next breath they are telling people with mask anxiety or lockdown depression to shut the fuck up and just deal.

Empathy my arse. They aren’t remotely empathic or caring. What a joke.

Exactly. All put on to show how caring they are and how the only thing that matters to them is Other People and anyone who doesn’t think like them is selfish. So fed up with these twats.
Dowser · 25/07/2020 11:11

I’ve ordered one of these

www.facebook.com/1494503496/posts/10217562466842237?sfns=mo

OLGADEEPOLGA · 25/07/2020 11:12

Well said sengastrawberry! Totally agree

SockYarn · 25/07/2020 11:12

@PrimeraVez

I live in a country where masks have been mandatory for several months. That includes children aged six and above, who will be expected to wear them when they return to school in September. It also approaches close to 50 degrees here most days at the moment.
And that is relevant to someone moaning about non-mask related restrictions in a Scottish shopping centre how?
Longwhiskers14 · 25/07/2020 11:13

Couldn’t agree more. Also it’s laughable that the people worried about covid are selfless beings who truly care about others when in the very next breath they are telling people with mask anxiety or lockdown depression to shut the fuck up and just deal.

Empathy my arse. They aren’t remotely empathic or caring. What a joke.

I haven't read any poster here telling people with mask anxiety or lockdown depression to STFU. This is about people being annoyed/frustrated they can't go shopping as normal. But knock yourself out, don't give a shit about the greater good. The state the planet's in, it's obvious we now live in a completely self-absorbed society where people only give a shit about themselves.

heartsonacake · 25/07/2020 11:16

YABU and overdramatic. You are also seeing problems where I’m betting there aren’t any; it’s most likely nobody “barked” at you, you’re just in this mood and seeing it that way.

Trust me, the shops won’t miss you.

Downwardfacingdoggy · 25/07/2020 11:18

@OLGADEEPOLGA if you read my previous post there’s enough to get you started. You could even think about adding reading to the listGrin

Bollss · 25/07/2020 11:21

@Longwhiskers14

Couldn’t agree more. Also it’s laughable that the people worried about covid are selfless beings who truly care about others when in the very next breath they are telling people with mask anxiety or lockdown depression to shut the fuck up and just deal.

Empathy my arse. They aren’t remotely empathic or caring. What a joke.

I haven't read any poster here telling people with mask anxiety or lockdown depression to STFU. This is about people being annoyed/frustrated they can't go shopping as normal. But knock yourself out, don't give a shit about the greater good. The state the planet's in, it's obvious we now live in a completely self-absorbed society where people only give a shit about themselves.

Don't give a shit about the state the planets in?

One use masks are super good for the planet tho right?

BlusteryShowers · 25/07/2020 11:22

Long whiskers, I don't think it's that selfish to be concerned about people's livelihoods going down the toilet, people's mental health being hammered and our whole way of life potentially being irreversibly affected.

Two members of my family have been made redundant. One of them was very near to asking to be admitted to hospital with mental health concerns, having been managing depression well with meds for eight years. Another is trying to scrape her, normally quite successful, beauty salon off the ground among all the changing restrictions sucking the joy out of her service.

It is possible to take covid seriously, but also wonder about the toll this is taking on many other areas of life. I don't believe that that is selfish.

Alloverthegrapevine · 25/07/2020 11:23

Trust me, the shops won’t miss you

That's the funniest yet. All the shops are saying they miss us very much indeed

RhianFuckingMorris · 25/07/2020 11:24

Life is fucking dreadful right now. 2021 will be shit too. This is what life is going to be like for a long while yet sadly. Almost everyone seems to have turned into an asshole. Selfish fuckers cant be assed to social distance properly, mock people trying to do their best. Life is just limping along pathetically and Covid continues to slowly increase quietly whilst we're all trying to pretend we're enjoying sitting in a pub garden in the rain, shopping in masks whilst other unmasked people cough over us, get stressed about one way systems n shops blah blah blah
I can't really be bothered much more and think death is always an option on the table. It looks more appealing every day.

SockYarn · 25/07/2020 11:24

One use masks are super good for the planet tho right?

And endless bottles of hand sanitiser, anti bac sprays, disinfectant wipes, single use plastic aprons which hairdressers and similar are using, cleaning products....

Don;t give me concern about the planet when everything we achieved with single-use plastic has gone straight out the window. Single use masks are plastic. Acrylic, poly-something or other.

OLGADEEPOLGA · 25/07/2020 11:30

And you @downwardfacingdoggy could add not being a condescending, sanctimonious intensely annoying person to your list.