ADs, Corvids and the sequacious masses

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I have found this thread very helpful even though I haven’t commented before but was just surprised it was becoming a bit more negative

You’re probably right that it has become more negative, but I guess there’s only so much people can take before they’re dragged down!

Those with autism, those who are deaf, those who have anxiety, those who have asthma, those who have had a man or men's hands over their mouth while physically and or sexually abused.. No thought or consideration given to them or their trauma.
It's a shit show.

I read on fb the other day that they'd stopped giving the contraceptive injection and offered pills only. So those who can't take the pills are now at risk of pregnancy and dealing with hormone issues.
No speech therapy. No physio. Smears with a face mask.. So traumatic for sexual abuse survivors. No tongue tie appointments. No bf support groups. No health visitors at your home. No mental health appointments. The list goes on.

Sorry you are feeling so anxious - I am quite anxious too. I went to the supermarket on Monday for the first time since lockdown and found it quite stressful - having to weigh the veg on the scales several times and sanitising my hands each time etc. Yesterday afternoon I had to actually go into the GP surgery with my DD and had to wear a mask for the first time and it was actually ok. I want to get back to normal life ASAP and if wearing a mask means we can then I will our up with it.

Domina, .

With my catastrophe hat on, won't the mask thing be a very convenient way to shove us 'abnormal' people out of sight where we belong?

I am afraid of being told off for non masking when, in addition to the other issues I have, I also have a heart condition that means it is medically inadvisable for me to wear a mask. I mask all the time anyway as it is even if I don't wear one.

@Allflightscancelled I so hope that this works out for you and your family x

If it wasn't for the kids - I would end it all.

@wanderings
No, not undercover
Let me get you some info

Yep agreed that I'd definitely happily suck it up if I felt like it got us anywhere quicker. But I just don't think the science or the maths at this point supports that sadly. I don't believe there will be an effective vaccine in any kind of short term timescale either so then you end up with all this temporary stuff becoming normal, and it's not the world I want to live in.

@DominaShantotto keep on keeping on, take it a day at a time

@wanderings

Things are coming along with the details for the Concerned Citizen's Protest Sunday 1pm in London.

With Keep Britain Free & Simon Dolans full backing, we wish to invite you to our Freedom of Speech gathering, to share the concerns.

We invite peaceful citizens to join 30 person bubbles ... :)

This is a PEACEFUL protest to express these obvious concerns, show the Government of the UK that the People do not accept these unnecessary, draconian measures.

As it appears, they are also now suggesting Schools never return to normal. Possibly going back only 2 days per week!

Shops never return to normal.

People never return to normal.

The masks are a form of psychological signalling.

To keep people in a state of anxiety, to ensure they remain obedient

For those who are aware, the masks were never deemed necessary or useful back in February, March, April or anytime before.

It appears the need to force people to start wearing them, is nothing at all to do with protecting the public.

As concern for public health and safety has escaped the Government press deliveries, at every turn.

Masks have repeatedly been debunked, they do not protect the wearer or others.

Hospitals use these kind of masks to prevent splashes of blood on their faces.

A t-shirt, old curtain or paper mask, has no protection whatsoever.

They are also in an environment with clean air that is not mirrored in any shopping centre I know of.

Masks have become the final tipping point, for thousands of people who are looking deeply into what the Government is actually doing, and why.

List of speakers and meeting point will follow soon.

KEEP BRITAIN FREE

My supermarket anxiety is odd as I have been to 2 restaurants, 4 beaches and even had a night in a hotel last week, all since restrictions have been lifted. Just to clarify I don’t like masks, but will wear them if it helps us get back to/maintain a much more normal life.

Just to clarify I don’t like masks, but will wear them if it helps us get back to/maintain a much more normal life

Me too but I am not convinced they will help us get back to/maintain a normal life. They're just an extra restriction.

From
Keep Britain free

It's great to see MPs of all stripes believing in the efficacy of #facemasks.

From the House of Commons today

I would be accepting of masks if it went hand in hand with the opening up of more freedoms. But it doesn't. Nothing is better, I still can't hug my mum, or my dad (who had to walk into hospital on his own today for his cancer operation because my mum couldn't go with him) I still have to queue to go into shops and go round irritating one way systems, loads of councils are keeping playgrounds closed, my daughter can't bring a reading book home from school or have a hot school dinner.

It needs to be a trade. Deaths are down to next to fuck all, the infection rates are falling week on week, but we are getting less freedom at the end of this month, not more.

Why?

Just to clarify I don’t like masks, but will wear them if it helps us get back to/maintain a much more normal life

And that’s what many people on this thread have said too.
I personally don’t believe that it will help us get back to a ‘normal life’... the opposite in fact. The science on mask wearing is shaky, especially the way I see people wearing them (I saw someone today with hers round her neck, chewing on it, before putting it over her mouth (not her nose) while ordering food) so I don’t believe they’ll actually reduce transmission. Already ‘wear a fucking mask’ has become the new ‘stay the fuck at home’.
But that’s just my opinion, willing to concede that I’m wrong with evidence. I guess we’ll see!
I physically can’t wear one so will avoid any circumstance where it would be necessary.

But I think it is a trade - they opened so many things up without any mitigation and now we know what the mitigation is. Trump hates masks and I hate him. Other countries where mask wearing is more accepted are doing better than us and America. Why do people think they don’t help?

Cui bono? If we get nothing for obedience, who does get something? That's what I want to know.

I'm sorry, I am in a foul mood this evening.

Trump hates masks and I hate him

Me too. Funnily enough my feelings on masks are entirely separate from my feelings on Trump. As they’re different things.
The things that were opened up weren’t done on the condition that we wore masks. If would have made far more sense if they’d said ‘we can open up non essential shops if masks were worn’. They didn’t. But 6 weeks after non essential shops were opened, with no increase in cases as a result, we have been told that we need to wear masks in shops.
We haven’t been given any new freedoms as a result of wearing masks.

Excellent video from a dr and mask fitter showing that most masks are useless against corona , apart from a properly fitted theatre mask ..that is only effective for 2.5 hours and must be thrown away

www.facebook.com/joshdavvy2/videos/1302686983261405?sfns=mo

I agree that it seems odd to start having to wear masks now but I think that is because we have a crap government who should have introduced them earlier. Most countries have fewer deaths than us and I think this is partially why. I think we need to get used to wearing masks now in advance of winter when infections are likely to increase. I’d love to be wrong though (hopefully please).

Other countries where mask wearing is more accepted are doing better than us and America

But that’s not the only variable, is it? If Japan for example had done things exactly the same as us, but with masks, then it would be a fair comparison. But they didn’t. For a start, they also didn’t release untested people from hospitals into care homes (which have accounted for around 40% of our overall deaths).
They wear masks in China, yes. They also welded people into their houses. So how do we know which prevented most (corona) deaths?

@LuckyMarmiteLover

Watch this, it is long, over an hour, but it's a short period of time compared to hours, days and months spent worrying.

@Chipsahoy

Omg I never thought of those scenarios
Thank you for flagging it up

I agree that it seems odd to start having to wear masks now but I think that is because we have a crap government who should have introduced them earlier

Cases have continued to fall since the ‘VE day conga’. They’ve continued to fall since the ‘flocking’ to beaches. They’ve continued to fall since non essential shops were opened. 12 days since pubs and restaurant reopened and no sign of an increase. So why introduce mandatory masks now?

@DominaShantotto
Come on lovely
You know we are all here for you ❤️