ADs, Corvids and the sequacious masses

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Haven’t been on the threads in a while but grateful to see you all here still fighting the good fight. I went to TK Maxx with my mum today and, stupid mask notwithstanding (in Glasgow), it was FUCKING BRILLIANT. I bought so much shite. Lightning McQueen sunglasses for DS, fancy Italian soap for me and other stuff. It almost felt normal. I missed the Maxx so much.

I’m still desperate to get back to the office. Anxiety and depression have become part of my everyday life again since week 6 of this shite and I just want to put on make up and nice clothes, get on a fucking bus and have an hour’s reading time to myself.

@BogRollBOGOF Wed 15-Jul-20 20:01:00

I'm sure there's some dementors that could argue with a £3 chicken

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I'm sure some of them could argue with a mirror - out performing themselves in virtue signalling.

@AgentCooper I'd love to go back to my "normal" office too. Really don't want to work in the shit "new normal" version being proposed.

My company are currently consulting on returning to the office. Current phase of rerturn based on 2m distancing has no more than 150 people in it. (City of London office with around 900 desks in it, more working there pre pandemic as we hot desked). One way system. Meeting rooms closed, well apart from the massive double meeting room where you can meet with 4 others max. No extrenal visitors. One in one out on toilets. So no collaboration / meeting clients just doing what I can do more easily at home with added bonus of a commute. Funnily enough very little enthusiasm from anyone else either. Boris can dream we will be returning to our desks and buying sarnies in Pret but quite frankly I don't think I will commute again in 2020.

Oh well added bonus I'm saving £££s.

I'm fed about it too. I can work effectively from home but am missing all of the fun bits of my job. The interaction with clients and colleagues. The buzz of a busy office and the energy I get from it.

I had a call today, to book an audiology appointment for DS12. He is pretty deaf and wears hearing aids.

Oh good, I thought, hospitals are finally opening up to non-Covid services.

But no. It's a video call.

I am very keen to see how they will test my DS's hearing, check his aids are working correctly, inspect his ears, and make any changes to his aids that are necessary, via the medium of zoom

Is anyone going to the Peaceful protest in London, on Sunday Against the wearing of masks
I believe everyone is meeting at Whitehall at 1 pm

Having seen this video of an 11 year old child tested with a co2 meter and his levels goi into the danger zone within minutes, I reckon that everyone who is concerned should back this

Wish I lived close enough

Co2 Tests on a mask wearing child.

Here’s the video

www.bitchute.com/video/ypLjmXQoLygi/

@sockyarn
The visors are a bit better than masks but if you watch the video , the co2 levels are still high

@Dowser Is there any information online about this protest (or is it strictly undercover?) I'd like to go!

@pearlypidge

I had a call today, to book an audiology appointment for DS12. He is pretty deaf and wears hearing aids.

Oh good, I thought, hospitals are finally opening up to non-Covid services.

But no. It's a video call.

I am very keen to see how they will test my DS's hearing, check his aids are working correctly, inspect his ears, and make any changes to his aids that are necessary, via the medium of zoom

@pearlypidge the magic of the medium of Zoom! (Other teleconferencing platforms exist and are equally effective). I hope it's better than you think or they realise how rubbish it is and get your DS in pronto!

[quote BakewellTarts]@AgentCooper I'd love to go back to my "normal" office too. Really don't want to work in the shit "new normal" version being proposed.

My company are currently consulting on returning to the office. Current phase of rerturn based on 2m distancing has no more than 150 people in it. (City of London office with around 900 desks in it, more working there pre pandemic as we hot desked). One way system. Meeting rooms closed, well apart from the massive double meeting room where you can meet with 4 others max. No extrenal visitors. One in one out on toilets. So no collaboration / meeting clients just doing what I can do more easily at home with added bonus of a commute. Funnily enough very little enthusiasm from anyone else either. Boris can dream we will be returning to our desks and buying sarnies in Pret but quite frankly I don't think I will commute again in 2020.

Oh well added bonus I'm saving £££s.[/quote]
My friend's office has had the same conversations re returning to premises. She was, for months, desperate to get back, as were her colleagues. But she's now got the return strategy and it is similar to what you've described. Half the staff in for half the week. Tape all over the floors. One way system. No meeting rooms. No external visitors. Kitchen is closed off. No kettle or microwave, so staff have to bring in their own tea/coffee, water to last the day as well as cold lunch.
Unsurprisingly, the survey results were overwhelmingly to continue working from home.

Here's a news flash for BoJo. Make a place grim for people who have freedom of choice, and they will choose to not come to that place.

Best of luck Pret, it was nice knowing you.

@BarkandCheese there is not a chance you're ever going to get the smell out of whatever that bursts on!

@bakewelltarts, thank you, I'm sure the appointment will meet my very low expectations perfectly...

When everyone is wearing masks DS won't be able to hear the muffled voices properly, or lip read, so a properly functioning hearing aid will be even more important - but clearly not as important as Protecting The NHS.

I’m sorry to see this thread has just become anti mask 😷 and almost the new DMs. Although I’m not looking forward to wearing a mask myself, I think that by wearing them we have more chance of a normal life over the next few months. Let’s hope so anyway!

I'm definitely not anti mask per se @LuckyMarmiteLover, but I am anti having it imposed with no corresponding freedoms being resumed. Feels like the they've just layered it onto the restrictions that were already in place, even though infection rates are at their lowest point.

Eg if masks meant I could get back to orchestra, I'd be 1st in the queue

Not anti mask. Anti compulsory masks. Anyone who wants to wear one, crack on. Just don't make my dyspraxic autistic self wear one.

I feel sorry for all the people that will get abuse because they can't wear them, I feel sorry for those that now won't be able to hear what the hell's going on, I feel sorry for those (me included) that it's a permanent reminder of what rubbish times we live in. I don't want to wear a mask AND still have the misery of hazard tape and one way systems and queues etc. And most of all I don't want them to be compulsory. I worry about what end of the wedge it opens up. Just educate people about the claimed benefits and let them make the choice about whether they are either able or willing.

I realise it’s difficult but wearing masks protects others more than you. My daughter is a music scholar and flautist so I totally get the frustration regarding orchestras and choirs.

I am hoping that mask wearing will be short term until early next year when I’m expecting the vaccine to be available.

Agree with others above, not a chance you'll find me being keen to go back to an office that looks like that :(

@LuckyMarmiteLover

I’m sorry to see this thread has just become anti mask 😷 and almost the new DMs. Although I’m not looking forward to wearing a mask myself, I think that by wearing them we have more chance of a normal life over the next few months. Let’s hope so anyway!

I’m not ‘anti mask’. My feelings on masks are complex. I have severe claustrophobia and can’t wear one without a panic attack. According to many on this forum I’m just selfish and inventing reasons to not wear one. I wish I could wear one without issues, it would make my life much easier. But I can’t. Aside from that, I do not believe we are currently being told to wear masks for safety reasons. The main reason for mandating masks in shops at this point in the pandemic is that the government think it will give people more confidence to shop. So to all those who were saying the economy was being prioritised... well yes. And that’s the reason masks are being mandated to. Anyway, don’t be sorry. People are just giving their views. Not everyone’s view is the same. Many on this thread have said they don’t like the idea of masks but will wear them. Some (like me) have said they can’t wear one so they won’t go shopping until they no longer have to be worn. Both those positions are perfectly acceptable. As is the anti mask position.

@LuckyMarmiteLover

I am hoping that mask wearing will be short term until early next year when I’m expecting the vaccine to be available.

Well great. If that’s the case, I’ll go shopping again next year!

@LuckyMarmiteLover

show us one piece of real definitive evidence that mask wearing is any more than a sop to the vocal minority and we will be a lot more on board,

The best evidence is that correct wearing of a mask which is either hospital grade or a minimum of 8 thicknesses of cotton MAY make a slight difference.

And even that is debatable in the long term.

We defer to many (non profit, government or attention seeking) suitably qualified professionals on here, including the man involved in eradicating smallpox, and there is no positive evidence at all.

Do some real research, as we have, before complaining to me

I’m really sorry for people who can’t wear masks and hope they can find one that suits them - I’m hoping that for me too as so far my glasses get streamed up and they are claustrophobic. Anyone with a medical reason should obviously be exempt but I don’t know what the process for that is and am sorry I haven’t read TWFT. I have found this thread very helpful even though I haven’t commented before but was just surprised it was becoming a bit more negative.

@LuckyMarmiteLover

I’m sorry to see this thread has just become anti mask 😷 and almost the new DMs. Although I’m not looking forward to wearing a mask myself, I think that by wearing them we have more chance of a normal life over the next few months. Let’s hope so anyway!

It's not the mask mandation that's got me - it's the thought of the daily exercise police morphing into the mask police that's got me.

I can't deal with anything meaning I'm breathing warm already out-breathed air - I can't cope with a scarf in the winter, I can't cope with the duvet even slightly up onto my chin. My anxiety at the moment is at intolerable levels to where I'm only functioning to go out to do the school run by playing music on earphones to stop my social anxiety - and it's driven by fear of being publicly shamed for breaking someone's version of "the rules". I'm already having panic attacks going into shops quite severely - and that spirals my anxiety into massive sensory issues where I can't cope with noise, crowds, textures or feelings - which of course rules out wearing a mask... which is now feeding the anxiety of incurring the toxic wrath of a covigilantee.

I came on the end of one today giving me absolutely vile looks and body language in Tesco for not wearing a mask and it sparked a panic attack so bad I nearly flaked out in the aisles. I'm terrified of how it's going to be when they become compulsory - I was going to use the fact I get such severe panic attacks - oh yeah and the mild hearing loss, coupled with sensory problems and with a side dose of asthma to claim exemption from wearing one - but now I know how everyone's just going to accuse me of lying - I'm going to just not be allowed out basically... which is feeding my depression and anxiety even more.

I don't even think it'll give us a chance of a more normal life - it'll be another stick to beat other people up over and I don't think they'll relax stuff anymore anyway - so it's just piling on the hell that life is right now. I think they'll be coming for masks in schools next and that's just fucking barbaric (I have a child with SLCN so it's a passion of mine)