ADs, Corvids and the sequacious masses

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@Bogroll so well written 👏 👌

@Loki I am do pleased for you!! Total happy dance time!!

AnxiousElephant77 Hancock has just said they aren’t recommending masks in offices or schools, it’s about protecting you from people you aren’t normally with

Agree with your . So you have to wear a mask for 10 minutes to pick up a loaf from Tescos but not when spending 8 hours in a room with the same 3 people? Perfect sense!

It's a case of, "Don't stand near the woman on the checkout, you don't know where she's been!"

Although I don't want to wear a mask on my office days. We make a lot of phone calls. We'll all sound like we're out of an old film where there's been a kidnap and the baddie is making a phone call to demand a ransom, and is holding a handkerchief over the phone to disguise his voice.

Although in our case it'll be less, "Leave the money in used notes by the tree," and more, "The Red Cross are dropping off your new commode on Wednesday."

The honey of sitting in a theatre at a financially viable capacity at the cost of wearing a mask is fine. Plus you're sitting not moving around. Plus it's dark so you don't have to see anyone else wearing the dratted things, and no one is watching you.

The way it's being introduced is ridiculous and makes the government look completely shambolic. It should have been as the shops opened, or with a new phase of openings. In the abstract of restricting a freedom a month after it was given, it feels far more punitive and pointless.

Face coverings on transport was accepted because it came at the same time as the easing and was in the context of restricted, poorly ventilated spaces with little distancing. Supermarkets never closed and have never been identified as hubs of virus transmission, even though workers had minimal protection when community previlence was high.

Then the gleeful dementoring doesn't help when no one was stopping them from wearing masks in the first place.

We need a blue print for the next phase of easing of restrictions.

@Ibake

Have a good day everyone. I'm off to the zoo! Don't even have any young kids. My friend and I are going for her birthday. I have a picnic, including champagne, packed.

I think going to the zoo without littlies may well be the civilised way forward. At least she's not going to have a massive strop in the gift shop on the way out.

Sounds lovely!

I'm not looking forwards to the strop next time we leave the zoo when I refuse to leave through the gift shop...

It's hard enough following on a phone call without going back to 1950s muffly sound quality.

I went light headed last night at my fitness class. I really don't get on with humidity!

I have reluctantly accepted that I have to wear a mask to shop but it just means that, like so many of you, i won't do anything other than the most essential stuff. No clothes shopping, trinket buying, nothing to get the economy or the independent shops trading again. I figure that no one will be able to police how I actually treat my mask so it will stay in my purse to be used for quick supermarket trips then stuffed back in. Probably won't be washed - ever!! This will be my little rebellion (in my head!!).

If they start saying I have to wear one at work - NO!! I work in an office on my own as does my colleague. Any conversations are done at social distancing levels and we ensure frequent washing of hands and disinfecting of common touch areas, so masks are unnecessary.

Does anyone else think it would help many of us if there was some indication of how long these measures will be in place? Even if its 'until Christmas' or 'for ever more'?

I think it's not on offices and stuff as there's the ability to track and trace there with colleagues not randoms in shops?

@Blobby10 I'm doing that too, with my ever more ridiculous face coverings. Makes me feel better.

Oh, and I keep asking what the exit strategy for all this is but I genuinely think no one has a clue.

It's interesting that even a lot of die hard mask/harder measures supporters don't actually appear to want to go out shopping and for leisure wearing them, and quoting the half an hour in the supermarket.

Did I imagine it that someone on tv said that retail staff had been affected more than nurses? Can't remember the figures but they were very high for retail staff? I only half heard it though.

inews.co.uk/news/face-masks-hancock-retail-workers-coronavirus-537587

Found it, i didn't imagine all of it.

My life has no joy in it. Nothing. I had a panic attack last night. I have no clue where to go now.

@Supermarketworker06 yeah elementary workers had higher rates - it fits with poorer & BAME people being more at risk. That's why the dead nurse meme really fucked me off ... it was older men BAME men at risk often taxi drivers, security guards, factory workers etc - professional & allied professional (medics & nurses) had the lowest rates. I guess that doesn't tell such a good story though which is what the whole covid thing is about afterall.

Care workers (often BAME &/or poor) were badly affected (also classes as elementary occupations), also cleaners/porters etc. Sales and customer service occupations (& bar staff I think) did have an increased risk but nowhere near the risk of taxi drivers & male care staff.

There's quite an interesting report here - I don't know if it is the most up to date one though - www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19relateddeathsbyoccupationenglandandwales/deathsregisteredbetween9marchand25may2020

This stuff about isolating before hospital admissions. How would that work for anyone with carers or people like my parents (82 and 93) who don't need carers daily but do need people to help with life admin like paying bills and changing lightbulbs? Mind you given my mum's issues with judging timescales now she would genuinely either think she has been isolating for a fortnight when it's only a couple of days or think she still has ages to go after 3 weeks.

I'm fine with wearing a mask in a small shop. Always have been. It's a confined space, like a bus. What does piss me off is being mandated to walk around Sainsburys on a quiet Tuesday afternoon, muzzled up.

@Supermarketworker06. I have no idea where Hancock got the stats he used. Either he was misinformed, misheard, or is deliberately lying to make the Government look like the good guys.

@NothingIsWrong

Is this (at least partly) because you've changed your meds?I think that's what you said (sorry I've got that wrong I've been AWOL for a few days)

One of my colleagues was talking with a funeral director over the weekend and said "I guess you guys are really busy right now?" FD reply? "Nope - no more than usual for this time of year - the only thing that has changed is the cause of death on the death certificate!". This is in Leper Leicester too!! Tales like this don't do anything to help the lack of confidence I have in scientific statistics, government authority and the 'this is good for you' brigade.

@Worldgonecrazy a government minister lying or manipulating the figures??? No! Surely that would NEVER happen 🤣🤣🤣

Blobby "If they start saying I have to wear one at work - NO!! I work in an office on my own as does my colleague. Any conversations are done at social distancing levels and we ensure frequent washing of hands and disinfecting of common touch areas, so masks are unnecessary."

At my work it's masks in clinical areas and where patients go eg reception. In non-patient areas like offices it's no mask required provided we keep apart, wipe the surfaces & office equipment after use, and wash hands more.

Toilets get cleaned twice a day, not after each use.

So far, so good.

This stuff about isolating before hospital admissions. How would that work for anyone with carers or people like my parents (82 and 93) who don't need carers daily but do need people to help with life admin like paying bills and changing lightbulbs?

Honestly doubt that's been thought of.

IL were told - though don't know by who --to stay in when they came back from abroad from a then big hotspot at start of this - they both immediatley went off to different shops as they needed shopping - then on bus to bank as they needed to do something.

I wonder if they'd be a lot of that - yes we stopped in except for x because we had to and won't mention it as we had to so won't count.

Who's going to check up. They'll do the tests anyway.

I image people like my parents who'd be honest and conscientious would be most disadvantaged and people as they siad if they'd been out and who think things don't mean them or it didn't mean that will carry on as usual.

The supermarket workers thing is utterly made up, I'm sure.

Round here (South Midlands city) it's well known amongst supermarket workers (we know lots, in different large chains) that there haven't been any outbreaks amongst the staff. We have a huge Sainsburys and a huge Tesco nearby. Nothing.

We also have a large Morrisons and a couple of Aldis. Nothing. I realise this isn't a scientific study or anything, but I flat out don't believe Hancock. It's a mistake or a bald lie.

Does anyone else think it would help many of us if there was some indication of how long these measures will be in place? Even if its 'until Christmas' or 'for ever more'?

My heart sank when Hancock said something about next summer or 'lets see when we get a vaccine' when asked this.

I take that higher rate info with a pinch of salt. It was how many cases and deaths per million pop...bit of course they may be more exposed as well

It is not a simple comparison to make. The main things seem to be based on health and age, as with any occupation. I think it is brought out in the BBC to guilt us

@Blobby10 “ Does anyone else think it would help many of us if there was some indication of how long these measures will be in place? Even if its 'until Christmas' or 'for ever more'?”

Wanksock this morning was saying ‘for the foreseeable future’ which makes me want to curl up in a corner and howl

@PickAChew that's been my approach to mask wearing - I've got them (ones that protect me a bit as well - theoretically!) - and I wear them if I feel the need a confined space for a period of time, long queue or very small shop or medical stuff. But that's been three times since March! If a shop is busy so I can't stay far enough away from people or if I'll have to queue, I just don't go in. I can't understand why customers moving through a shop for a short period of time have to wear them but staff in there for hours don't

I am far more worried about surface contamination & honestly think that making them compulsory will increase the risk.