Amber Heard & Johnny Depp....Your thoughts?

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I have seen this in the news over the past couple of days and wasn't really sure what to think. It sounds to me like a very volatile relationship and it may be that they are both abusers. Or at the least they are completely incompatible with each other.

Today I noticed that Amber Heard was walking into court and she had a scarf around her face. Then she removed the scarf and smiled for everyone and waved and seemed to enjoy the cameras being there. It's just an observation but maybe the accusations of her being a narcissist could be accurate? Or is she maybe trying to put a brave face on it all under what must be a very stressful situation for all concerned?

Johnny Depp kept his mask on but was also waving for the cameras I should add.

Anyway, I'm well aware it's none of my business really, it was just something I had thought about after seeing the news today and wondered what others thought!

There wasn’t even fights though. She attacked him, on multiple occasions, chopping the tip of his finger off and putting a cigarette out on his face. I wouldn’t call that a scuffle, that’s hugely minimising what she did to him.
I’ve listened to all the recordings and she only ever complains about him walking away from her in arguments, not once about any violence against her.
I’ve said it before but I’m disgusted at the fact she isn’t in jail and also at the fact that just because he’s an addict, people assume that he’s guilty. I do not think opinions would be the same if this was a gender reverse case. No one would say it’s 50/50 or victim blame, if a female was subjected to all of that, addict or not.

I’m not sure if he’ll win or not, but he may get what happened to Geoffrey Boycott that even if there is some evidence he and AH hurt each other that he may be able to salvage some of his reputation and work again, albeit not to the same level perhaps.

I still can’t figure out who I think is the worst, and I wish I didn’t care but the gory details of the workings of Hollywood are hard to look away from.

I get the impression that he genuinely has no understanding of how unbelievably horrendous what he is describing (violence aside) actually is to most people.

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus he’s suing both the newspaper and AH (that court case is in August) separately. I can completely understand why, the allegations have ruined his career and reputation (drug use aside). He was taken off the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise because of them. From the witness statements, he seems to have a reputation for being a gentle soul- although obviously not perfect there have been times his behaviour hasn’t been great. But being violent to a woman/ your wife is a whole other ball game.
I don’t know if he’ll win against the paper either, I hope he does. More importantly I hope he wins in his counter-suing of AH and gets some sort of justice, given that there aren’t any criminal charges.
I just really hate bullies and manipulative liars. This case has really gotten under my skin.... probably because I’ve spent too much time engrossed in it this past week

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus the transcripts are quite lengthy aren’t they. AH starts giving her evidence on Monday, set for 3 days. I think I will have to schedule myself for nighttime reading only, or I really won’t get anything done

I can quite believe he's innocent.

I remember a case local to me a few years ago, a guy was living with his ex as they were seperating, like a lot of people they couldn't afford to just move out.

She had a habit of turning abusive, sometimes because of drink, sometimes she'd be perfectly sober.....one night she locked him in the house which she'd done before. She'd also turned into something off little woman when the neighbour investigated.

This time he was ready and set his phone to record then put it in his shirt pocket. She had no idea she was being filmed but it got the lot. He wasn't goady at all, just asking for the keys so he could take the dog out. She became more and more abusive, literally jumping up on down on the sofa shouting abuse and threats.

He manages to find a back door key, gets outside and she stands feet away from him screaming get off me, why are you hurting me etc. He wasn't anywhere near her.

She then glassed him in the face all whilst screaming for help as he's stood with blood pouring everywhere.

She got the shock of her life when it went to court with full proof of what she'd done. Think she got a small fine and is happily working in the care industry still........ Let's face it if a man had done that he'd have been vilified, which is exactly what she was hoping for.

He’s always been known as a violent psycho. His movie star persona was always the bad boy rock star smashing up hotel rooms and beating up paparazzi.

Really shocked at all the “gentle soul” comments, since when??

It’d be a miracle if, between all the drug blackouts and fighting, she was the one person he never hit.

chopping the tip of his finger off

That never happened. He crushed the finger in a door or drawer and made up a weird lie that she’d thrown a bottle across the room and the force of the bottle hitting his hand had crushed the finger. That’s not how physics works. He kept changing his story about how his fingertip got crushed too.

The information most people know about these people comes from newspaper stories.

It's very much he said/she said.

People need to examine the concrete evidence and unbiased accounts.

The police say at the time AH wasn't visibly facially damaged. Later reports of no bruising could be due to makeup covering it up - no bruised happy looking AH. Then the media photos showing obvious bruising and sad looking AH.

Who has been shown to lie/mislead? Who has been violent to previous partners?

They are both been involved in drunk/drugged up violence. So far it appears she's recorded as admitting to hitting his face and him annoying her by trying to leave. She seems to want to escalate the argument and belittle him. That makes me believe it's more probable JD has been a victim of DA.

I don't think we can really make any judgements until we've heard all the evidence.

@blurpityblurp

He’s always been known as a violent psycho. His movie star persona was always the bad boy rock star smashing up hotel rooms and beating up paparazzi.

Really shocked at all the “gentle soul” comments, since when??

It’d be a miracle if, between all the drug blackouts and fighting, she was the one person he never hit.

Great Post. This unwillingness to believe AH's allegations is a typically patriarchal response to an unlikeable woman making claims against a far more popular man. Cognitive dissonance is at play, it’s preferable not to know this stuff about him at all, but now we do know, our response is to reframe the story into something more palatable and label him as vulnerable, goaded and pushed into it.

It's not helped by the fact that AH is possibly not that nice a person.

@blurpityblurp

chopping the tip of his finger off

That never happened. He crushed the finger in a door or drawer and made up a weird lie that she’d thrown a bottle across the room and the force of the bottle hitting his hand had crushed the finger. That’s not how physics works. He kept changing his story about how his fingertip got crushed too.

Also, what sort of person has their finger severed and proceeds to use said finger to daub insane rantings on the mirror? I have been in horrific situations with people like this (including my own father) as well as more than one partner (yes I'm still having therapy). This is a typical sign of someone who is completely off their nut and is no stranger to being in these sorts of states. Along with the videos and audio recordings, It's not congruent with the gentle soul testimonials unless we can accept that we humans are many dimensional. We can be gentle souls one day and raging coke and booze addled psychos the next. Being one doesn't necessarily cancel out the other. Just because we've always been fond of JD, doesn't mean he can't be an arsehole too.

I've read every single word of every single witness statement and transcript to date (i ought to get out more, I know) and there is SO much misinformation on this thread. Posters regurgitating tabloid stories they've read as fact.

She seems like a narcissistic violent bully. She sliced his finger and put faeces on his bed.
For both Vanessa Paradis and Winona to come forward, as exes, to defend Depp's honour, proves he's a nice guy.

For both Vanessa Paradis and Winona to come forward, as exes, to defend Depp's honour, proves he's a nice guy

It only proves he was nice to them at the time he was with them though.
I'm not saying he deserves to be labelled a 'wife beater' at this moment, but I don't think you can say that proves him to be a nice guy. People can and do change, especially when you then add in addictions to drugs & alcohol.

It was nice of WR and VP to give statements, but the case won't be won or lost by them.
Weight of evidence of specific events is what the judge will weigh his judgement on.
On one side, there's photos of AH's bruises etc (although experts are being called in on those), on the other side, there's independent witness testimonies from nurses and police officers stating there wasn't a scratch on her.
I don't envy Justice Nichols on this at all.

Vanessa Paradis clearly has a vested interest in Johnny keeping his career? Was she allowed to be a character witness? 😮

@TinySongstress as someone who has read the transcripts and says there's a lot of misinformation on here - I'd be interested to know whether you think JD will win this case?

What misinformation has there been?

@covetingthepreciousthings
The scales have tipped back and forth every day, AH really does have an excellent QC in Sasha Wass, she's brilliant and is making a lot of the bones of her case. In some instances she's blown holes through events and certain witnesses, but not enough to sink his case I don't think.
JD's case is witness testimony heavy, something like 25 supporting witnesses to AH's 7, and they're of a more independent nature (not all). 2 of which were originally on AH's side and have 'jumped ship' as it were.
If I were a betting woman I'd say JD will win, but really I think the case will be won not on what the judge suspects to have happened but who can bring the more solid evidence, and there's compelling evidence on both sides.

I'm Team Depp, but I'm trying to think critically about the whole thing.

@blurpityblurp maybe you should research the facts instead of believing newspaper articles. The paparazzi incident was him trying to protect his pregnant fiancée from being hounded by 15 photographers outside of a restaurant. He admits to having to fend them off on his own.
The hotel room incident was exaggerated by the media, he was “done over” by a close friend and was admittedly drunk and upset. Kate Moss was asleep and did not witness it. Most people at some point in their lives have smashed something when upset. None of that proves he’s a violent psycho, Don’t be so dramatic 🙄
Amber Heard did chop off his finger, again look at the facts and listen to the recordings. All of the witnesses that day knew it was her and covered for her under Depp’s instruction. Except the dr who attended to it and did not believe their stories of it being done by a door/plastic phone.
There are more witness statements than I can count saying he’s placid, gentle, kind etc. Even from her staff. You don’t need to believe them if you’d rather stick to your own opinion, doesn’t make them untrue. I doubt that many people would all lie and give the same account of his character, including 2 exes, one of which he was with 14 years. But apparently you know him better.

She also stubbed out a cigarette on his face immediately after throwing the bottle at his hand severing his finger. That’s more in line with ‘violent psycho’ than any example you’ve given. Even if they were true.

@famousforwrongreason cognitions dissonance isn’t the case here, I’m not even a JD fan, I just know a domestic abuse victim and a perpetrator when I see them. Having been around it and also a victim of it most of my life.
What’s really the issue here is sexism. People’s refusal to believe a male could be a victim of such horrific emotional and physical abuse, because Depp’s older and an addict.... Surely he can’t be bullied by a woman?!
seriously, look into the actual evidence and facts surrounding the case instead of basing your opinions on biased newspaper articles, because you all look silly to those of us who have looked into the actual evidence.

No clue who is telling the truth and who isnt..however both of them are obviously not meant to be within a million miles of each other! Tell you what though there will be no winners in this case...it has shown the world the charachter failings of both of them and well just ugh! Not good ...