Amber Heard & Johnny Depp....Your thoughts?

[Whatdoyouthinkaboutthisone]

I have seen this in the news over the past couple of days and wasn't really sure what to think. It sounds to me like a very volatile relationship and it may be that they are both abusers. Or at the least they are completely incompatible with each other.

Today I noticed that Amber Heard was walking into court and she had a scarf around her face. Then she removed the scarf and smiled for everyone and waved and seemed to enjoy the cameras being there. It's just an observation but maybe the accusations of her being a narcissist could be accurate? Or is she maybe trying to put a brave face on it all under what must be a very stressful situation for all concerned?

Johnny Depp kept his mask on but was also waving for the cameras I should add.

Anyway, I'm well aware it's none of my business really, it was just something I had thought about after seeing the news today and wondered what others thought!

what was the relationship like between JD and his mum? I was always under the impression they were close.

I think they were fairly close, but I think by Depp's own admission she wasn't the nicest of people.

sisteragatha not necessarily if you are experiencing psychological abuse, he could be looking for different ways to please her and or looking for the right way to deal with the violent behaviour. Obviously the drug abuse is going to escalate things as it massively inhibits your decision making. He also could’ve just left the relationship! That’s what victims of abuse get told all the time.

The ‘name calling’ was happening because he was walking away from being physically attacked. That part was happening afterwards when she had supposedly calmed down.

The ‘headbutt’ he says occurred when he was trying to restrain her in the middle of an attack and their heads collided because she was kicking and writhing. I believe him. You might not. From listening to the way she has latched on to other small things and manipulated the situation after he had done something in self defence, such as accidentally running the door over her foot when he was hiding from her in the bathroom, I can believe she took that incident and ran with it to try and place some culpability on him. I personally think 95% of what she’s said is made up or exaggerated/twisted.

I’m not trying to say Johnny Depp is a stable person. He obviously has some disturbing issues. I’m just doing what I always do in cases of domestic violence and trying not to nitpick the victim’s behaviour and use it as a way to apportion blame.

I believed Amber when this all came out as I always do in these situations but after seeing all the evidence I now think she is a despicable human being for doing this, both to Johnny Depp and to other victims of domestic abuse. My conscience wouldn’t allow me to continue to support her.

@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter

Oh I see now JD is bleating on about how he lost 650 million and is now "broke". Are we supposed to feel sorry for him that he blew through 650 million dollars?

FFS. I'll get my tiny violin out. I'm sure lots of single parents on benefits or people on liability payments will join me in commiserating in his terrible bad luck. Urgh.

Amen! He's trading on his once loveable screen persona.

Also, love your username @AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter, brings back childhood memories

@JKRisagryff

sisteragatha not necessarily if you are experiencing psychological abuse, he could be looking for different ways to please her and or looking for the right way to deal with the violent behaviour. Obviously the drug abuse is going to escalate things as it massively inhibits your decision making. He also could’ve just left the relationship! That’s what victims of abuse get told all the time.

The ‘name calling’ was happening because he was walking away from being physically attacked. That part was happening afterwards when she had supposedly calmed down.

The ‘headbutt’ he says occurred when he was trying to restrain her in the middle of an attack and their heads collided because she was kicking and writhing. I believe him. You might not. From listening to the way she has latched on to other small things and manipulated the situation after he had done something in self defence, such as accidentally running the door over her foot when he was hiding from her in the bathroom, I can believe she took that incident and ran with it to try and place some culpability on him. I personally think 95% of what she’s said is made up or exaggerated/twisted.

I’m not trying to say Johnny Depp is a stable person. He obviously has some disturbing issues. I’m just doing what I always do in cases of domestic violence and trying not to nitpick the victim’s behaviour and use it as a way to apportion blame.

I believed Amber when this all came out as I always do in these situations but after seeing all the evidence I now think she is a despicable human being for doing this, both to Johnny Depp and to other victims of domestic abuse. My conscience wouldn’t allow me to continue to support her.

AdC, one of AH’s friends, has publicly said that she can no longer support her. That’s quite damning when she was supposed to be a witness or evidence for AH.

I sincerely hope at the very least they both get the help and support they need following this.

[quote RunningAwaywiththeCircus]@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter I may be wrong but I think the $650 m was somehow embezzled or spiffed by his former business manager. JD has admitted to never reading contracts etc. he even admitted to not reading his own witness statement today I read - saying he “trusted his attorneys”. I expect the judge will have something to say about that - definitely a brown trousers day for his lawyers! [/quote]
What an idiot if true. He clearly has not learnt.

Who's AdC?

@JudyGemstone

Who's AdC?

Amanda de Cadenet www.ibtimes.com/amber-heards-verbal-attacks-against-johnny-depp-shocked-me-too-activist-amanda-de-3000841?amp=1

They whole thing is mind blowing. Awful people in shit relationships on an epic scale. I randomly caught Amber whilst she was eating her way through the deposition. She seemed beyond self absorbed - like one of those awful kids who believe their own lies and thinks they are so much better than everyone around them.

I think she's a toxic, abusive narcissistic.

I think he's an erratic addict, who at times could be pushed over the edge.

What an awful and toxic way to live - thank goodness there are no children involved!

Excellent summary Gingin!

I found today more enlightening than the other days. JD's first witness was obviously talking crap but I found the other 2 more credible. I definitely wouldn't want to be the judge!

@GinGinHooray

I think she's a toxic, abusive narcissistic.

I think he's an erratic addict, who at times could be pushed over the edge.

What an awful and toxic way to live - thank goodness there are no children involved!

They might not have children together but JD has two and it’s got to be horrendous for them seeing all of this being dragged through court.

I think it says something too that Amber’s witnesses are her friends and Johnny’s are security guards, building staff, police, make up artists, most without a vested interest. The text msgs between Johnny and her parents are quite telling too, until this all became public they were agreeing that she had anger problems, couldn’t control her temper, apologising to him etc.

One of the interesting statements, I think is from one of his security guards which shows at least one occasion that she has lied and used manipulative language. I can’t find the links to them now annoyingly, so paraphrasing here but it’s the incident where she says there was the 3 day hostage situation and him throwing the phone.

In her version of events Johnny is paranoid and obsessing over an incident he thought had happened (she doesn’t mention it was about the fact she shat in his bed, making it sound like paranoid jealousy or something of that ilk) and wouldn’t let it go, screaming at her etc. He phones security guard and Amber talks to him, SG can hear Johnny screaming and crashing around in the background and starts shouting to her down the phone’ get out of there, get out of there!’ Then Johnny throws the phone it at her face, drags her around by the hair etc,

In the security guard’s version of events, he got a calm phone call from Johnny saying ‘could you clarify what you said about the bed shitting incident as Amber is now denying this happened.’ SG says ‘Amber told me she did it as a prank.’ Then Amber starts screaming and swearing down the phone at him. He says he could hear Johnny saying quietly in the background ‘please don’t speak to him like that, please be respectful’. He hangs up as he’s getting dogs abuse down the phone.

Obviously we don’t know what happened after this but we do know that she has lied about that specific part.

@JKRisagryff

I think it says something too that Amber’s witnesses are her friends and Johnny’s are security guards, building staff, police, make up artists, most without a vested interest. The text msgs between Johnny and her parents are quite telling too, until this all became public they were agreeing that she had anger problems, couldn’t control her temper, apologising to him etc.

One of the interesting statements, I think is from one of his security guards which shows at least one occasion that she has lied and used manipulative language. I can’t find the links to them now annoyingly, so paraphrasing here but it’s the incident where she says there was the 3 day hostage situation and him throwing the phone.

In her version of events Johnny is paranoid and obsessing over an incident he thought had happened (she doesn’t mention it was about the fact she shat in his bed, making it sound like paranoid jealousy or something of that ilk) and wouldn’t let it go, screaming at her etc. He phones security guard and Amber talks to him, SG can hear Johnny screaming and crashing around in the background and starts shouting to her down the phone’ get out of there, get out of there!’ Then Johnny throws the phone it at her face, drags her around by the hair etc,

In the security guard’s version of events, he got a calm phone call from Johnny saying ‘could you clarify what you said about the bed shitting incident as Amber is now denying this happened.’ SG says ‘Amber told me she did it as a prank.’ Then Amber starts screaming and swearing down the phone at him. He says he could hear Johnny saying quietly in the background ‘please don’t speak to him like that, please be respectful’. He hangs up as he’s getting dogs abuse down the phone.

Obviously we don’t know what happened after this but we do know that she has lied about that specific part.

'we' don't know anything. As you said, 'his security guard'. These people all have a vested interest. Their jobs. Their future jobs. Even police can be bought.

Friends are probably the least likely to commit perjury in my opinion.

I’ve just realised that Vanessa Paradis’s husband, Samuel Benchetrit, was married to French actress Marie Trintignant, who was beaten to death by her abusive boyfriend, Bernard Cantat, in 2003.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2003/nov/16/features.magazine

@Babayaggatheboneylegged that's horrible

Friends won’t perjure, but they are likely to be deceived. I have a physically and emotionally abusive mother and she has friends who would take the stand for her. They haven’t seen the bad bits.

I agree Cecille especially when you have a close relationship with someone with narcissistic personality traits it is very easy to be drawn into their version of events. They probably don’t even see it as lying as such.

I also think it’s far easier to quit a job than a friendship but maybe that’s just my experience.

God Babay that is horrific!

Quality, what do you mean, you randomly saw her eating her way through the deposition?

I've always been a fan of his and am desperately sad about the extent of his addiction issues and the way that he has behaved. I do think that she has behaved terribly as well, yes, that is clear from the recordings. I don't envy the judge trying to make a way through this.

I used to work with DV cases and quite a few were like this - obviously damaged people who had come together and brought out the very worst in each other. Not so much one person beating the other (although I saw plenty of cases like that too, I am not trying to minimise domestic abuse at all), but arguments that degenerated into physical fights, started as often by one as the other, with a complaint made by whoever came off worst. Invariably they would get back together and the whole thing would start again, with no resolution, no counselling or other therapy to try to move out of the cycle. I would say that these relationships are mutually abusive. I hope he gets some help for what is undoubtedly a massive substance problem that must have a lot of trauma at its root but I really don't know if I can get over him supplying drugs to his 13 year old daughter.

I know it sounds shocking supplying weed to his 13 year old daughter and I certainly wouldn’t do that and have never taken any kind of rec drugs (due to being fiercely protective of my mental health)
BUT if his daughter has grown up around very monied, very bohemian friends there’s a huge probability that she and her friends were all smoking weed anyway (as is the culture with rich kids of artists) maybe in a weird way JD was ensuring that his DD was smoking quality/not too strong cannabis rather than risk her having something laced with bad things?
🤷‍♀️ Just a different perspective.

@ArriettyJones

Am I the only one under the impression that it was Vanessa who dumped Johnny? I can’t even remember what have me that idea but it was a strong impression.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to remember that Vanessa Paradis split with Depp because his drug and alcohol addictions had become out of control. I don’t blame her as living with someone with these addictions is hellish.