Amber Heard & Johnny Depp....Your thoughts?

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I have seen this in the news over the past couple of days and wasn't really sure what to think. It sounds to me like a very volatile relationship and it may be that they are both abusers. Or at the least they are completely incompatible with each other.

Today I noticed that Amber Heard was walking into court and she had a scarf around her face. Then she removed the scarf and smiled for everyone and waved and seemed to enjoy the cameras being there. It's just an observation but maybe the accusations of her being a narcissist could be accurate? Or is she maybe trying to put a brave face on it all under what must be a very stressful situation for all concerned?

Johnny Depp kept his mask on but was also waving for the cameras I should add.

Anyway, I'm well aware it's none of my business really, it was just something I had thought about after seeing the news today and wondered what others thought!

Sorry should’ve left out the old - the settling out of court of the Jane doe professor his security team manhandled is horrible too.

My main thought at the minute however is that somewhere in the world Paul Bettany is sitting with his head in his hands thinking FFS stop mentioning my name.

And his wife is beside him reading a news site saying “You said WHAT?!” on repeat.

They both sound disordered, toxic and abusive.

Whoever asked up thread, I think people get narcissistic vibes from her because of how she behaves in the tapes.

She deliberately obfuscates and gaslights, projects, love bombs at one point, mocks and ridicules, takes zero responsibility.

He is claiming a marriage therapist called her at borderline narcissistic sociopath'. Be interesting if that therapist testifies!

We shouldn’t be saying I believe him or I believe her. We should be condemning all and both the behaviours

100% this. It sounds like two horrible people met and triggered each other in to being even more horrible. Each wants the moral high ground over the other one and its bringing them both down.

Ive seen in the papers what Depp is actually like day to day (from his own words during the court case) and its honestly pathetic.
Everyone goes on about him being such a charismatic film star but without a script, he's nothing. He has nothing of interest to say, he spends half his time loaded up with coke spouting pretentious bollocks, he appears to be drunk or high most of the time and his "hero" is keith richards purely because the man is still alive after ingesting half of the produce of Colombia. I dont get it. I just dont get what is so fascinating or interesting about an almost 60 year old man with chronic alcohol and drug addictions. He looks bloated and old and grubby.

I just dont get his appeal. He is a sad old man.

@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter

Ive seen in the papers what Depp is actually like day to day (from his own words during the court case) and its honestly pathetic. Everyone goes on about him being such a charismatic film star but without a script, he's nothing. He has nothing of interest to say, he spends half his time loaded up with coke spouting pretentious bollocks, he appears to be drunk or high most of the time and his "hero" is keith richards purely because the man is still alive after ingesting half of the produce of Colombia. I dont get it. I just dont get what is so fascinating or interesting about an almost 60 year old man with chronic alcohol and drug addictions. He looks bloated and old and grubby.

I just dont get his appeal. He is a sad old man.

Oh I get it, but it’s time to drop it.

He was beautiful and talented with an air of mystique and Southern chivalry.

He was a gorgeous James Dean figure for many of is born in the 60s and 70s and he maintained his appeal by being very private.

However, the curtain has been pulled aside now and he’s told us (the court) all about the lack of sense of self his fame brought, his dysfunctional childhood, his multiple addictions and how early he embarked on them. He has described the self-justifying way he hero-worships hopeless addicts. He apparently considers that a “philosophy” bug it’s typical substance abuse BS.

He paints a very clear picture. It’s very sad.

I see the appeal of Keith Richards more tbh; he naturally cured his own hep c infection by doing nothing. He is naturally immune. How does someone wreck themselves so badly, and still get so lucky!

Oh I get it, but it’s time to drop it

Agree. I've seen him when he was younger and he was a beautiful man, great actor (loved Ed Wood etc). But his behaviour only really works when you are in your 20s. When you are young and vibrant and cool you can get away with all that stuff, it gives you a bad boy image and its sexy.
But he's not 20s now, he's almost 60 and unfortunately, the same behaviour that looked cool at 20 now just reeks of desperation and wretchedness.

The sight of a bloated 60 year old man collapsed on the floor, pissing himself is hardly sexy or cool, its frankly embarrassing and it makes him lookalike an utter twat. I believe he is a drug addled, personality disordered chronic alcoholic and he was probably attracted to Amber because she has similar issues. They are a perfect storm of personality disorder, addiction, and damage. It is not shocking it has ended in this mess at all. It was horribly inevitable.

Keith Richards has more charm in his little finger than JD, if this sorry mess is anything to go by!

And I loved him in my younger years and thought his early work was great.

That's exactly it, what you can get away with in your 20s and possibly 30s is not a good look at all when you're middle aged.

@Uhtredwaere I never said it couldn't be frightening, I asked if it was always?

So it wasn't a thing for rockers to smash up hotel rooms?

I did believe her at the start.
Now I'm not sure and no longer very interested.
I hope if he is innocent he's cleared.
Agree this is damaging for victims of DA - if she is lying.
It seems their relationship was a toxic mess however I remember years ago he used to trash hotel rooms when he was with kate moss which isnt the same as hitting a person but still shows aggression/being out of control when drunk.
If it's true that he has never hit any of his previous partners that doesnt mean he didnt hit AH.

That sounds like a good summary @AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter

His poor DC. No wonder Vanessa P is keen to keep the peace. No way her evidence can be given serious weight while she’s tied to him as a co-parent (so, ever, basically).

I am not invested in the dispute but have found it hard to avoid over the last few days.

The whole thing is unedifying and vulgar. It serves as a great example of what happens when there is too much money, fame and vanity. They both come across as vile. Snorting lines of coke, offering children drugs, defacating in beds. How lovely.

Johnny was absolutely beautiful in the 90’s, look at images of him from Public Figures, I still think he has a certain charm as Jack Sparrow but obviously years of drug and alcohol abuse have taken its toll on him.

The fact that they have been horrid to each other during their marriage in various ways is obvious but regardless the point of this trial to me is that the media and more to the point The Sun do not have the right to label someone a ‘wife beater’ publicly if not proven in a court of law!

It's all so tawdry.

This is proof that drugs are not cool!

Yes my main take from it too is that this relationship was never functional, they both acted appallingly at times and dragged each other down further - not just a textbook example of toxic addictions but also toxic interpersonal dynamics.

So many bad behaviours throughout, so many lines crossed. Hard to get a clean morality tale where one person comes out the victor.

more to the point The Sun do not have the right to label someone a ‘wife beater’ publicly if not proven in a court of law!

I’m fuzzier on this part of it but I was under the impression that The Sun were emboldened to print the story because JD settled a similar libel case, against AH, in California, out of court. I think (??)

Which makes JD’s legal choices even more opaque.

That's it, there are no goodies and baddies here - life/people are not black and white.

@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter

Oh I get it, but it’s time to drop it

Agree. I've seen him when he was younger and he was a beautiful man, great actor (loved Ed Wood etc). But his behaviour only really works when you are in your 20s. When you are young and vibrant and cool you can get away with all that stuff, it gives you a bad boy image and its sexy.
But he's not 20s now, he's almost 60 and unfortunately, the same behaviour that looked cool at 20 now just reeks of desperation and wretchedness.

The sight of a bloated 60 year old man collapsed on the floor, pissing himself is hardly sexy or cool, its frankly embarrassing and it makes him lookalike an utter twat. I believe he is a drug addled, personality disordered chronic alcoholic and he was probably attracted to Amber because she has similar issues. They are a perfect storm of personality disorder, addiction, and damage. It is not shocking it has ended in this mess at all. It was horribly inevitable.

I wonder if you realise that his supposed charm was a very carefully crafted image and it was very much possible to maintain that image in those times because there wasn’t any social media, stars were created to hold power over people and to get blockbusters. We are the generation of Netflix. We have seen far too many pretty faces who do far better acting too and their image is slightly more realistic because there is social media and internet so much more difficult to hide behind a smoke screen. 🤷🏻‍♀️ That is I just don’t get the charm.

Adding my voice to the previous posters' re domestic violence. Trashing inanimate objects in a rage might seem amusing if you haven't been around someone doing it in the middle of a row with you, if that person is far bigger and stronger. It's traumatic and terrifying. In JD's case, he was frequently off his face so not in control of himself.

I think AH sounds dreadful too but the "poor Johnny the gentle soul" apologists make me cringe. It just sounds like the usual blaming women for men's behaviour. As pps have pointed out, he has a long past of violent behaviour and substance abuse and there's no doubt what reached the public eye is only the tip of the iceberg. He was in his 50s, old enough and rich enough to sort himself and his demons out.

Giving drugs to his 13 year old daughter is beyond the fucking pale. In his woe is me interviews about his mother, he mentions her being on drugs since she was 12, as was he, and here he is happy to perpetuate the misery. He's also allowed her to be in the public eye from a very young age and it looks like she has an eating disorder already.

I am a child of the 90’s and I went off him after River Phoenix died. It was all so murky and he never looked properly washed to me. River dying and the suggestion of heroin just sealed it for me really.

Amber settled against him in the US I thought, so he’s probably hoping to win here too, but win is not really the word, he will probably never return to the heights he had before. Think The Hoff and Mel Gibson. We expect a bit more from our stars these day’s than a pretty face.

I wonder if you realise that his supposed charm was a very carefully crafted image and it was very much possible to maintain that image in those times because there wasn’t any social media

Oh for sure, the 90s were obviously very different. Drugs and alcohol were kinda still seen as cool then. Now, we have instagram and it seems that a lot of younger people dont want to portray a hard drinking druggie lifestyle like there was in the 90s. For UK then, it was grunge era and it was simply, i dont know, accepted? Instagram now seems full of healthy lifestyles, yoga on clifftops, avacado on toast and beautiful houses and fashion/makeup. That would have been laughed at in the 90s. Now there is an emphasis on health, the druggies of the 90s era just seem well, pathetic.

I think times have moved on and we now recognise the damage drugs do and its no longer cool but sadly, dinosaurs like Depp havent evolved which is typical of addicts because they often get "stuck" at the developmental age they were when they started using their preferred substance. I remember Depp being on Jonathan Ross fairly recently and I was struck by how utterly monosyllabic and tedious his conversation actually was. If you had to spend more than 20 minutes talking to him, you'd be desperate to look for reasons to get away, he really was THAT boring.

Irish agree.

Gentle soul my arse.

The drugs to his dd! Mere 13!!

These people have money, access to the most beautiful places on earth and houses. They should be living beautifully. Just shows really you can take blah out of x but you can't take the x out of the man.

Ah sounds equally Vile to me. My god my dp had a wild time too but never anything like shitting in beds.

Those poor poor kids. One only hopes that vp new husband is a damn sight better than this and she has provided them with calm, drug, alcohol abuse free environment.