ADs predict wine and rioting before 6.30pm (but only if the sun's out)

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Over here peeps.

Not much sun today..so plenty of wine it is

dingit that’s good. I wasn’t on late last night but I’ve caught up this morning, sounds like it was a stressful night .

That there are a "significant" number of people who end up with long term or life long health issues because of covid.

I think it depends on which after affect and what damage their talking about.

Clots seem to common feature of some post covid patients causing heart attacks and strokes is happening in post covid patients – even young ones they are trying giving blood thinners to prevent. There the strokes and heat attacks cause the permanent damage to body tissues.

Lungs - they know somewhat what damage will heal - plus they've seen similar is SRAs patients who haven't improved though I think they are not sure how widespread lung damage is post covid certainly there ongoing reasearch.

Post viral tiredness it less well understood, I think. New Scientist article I mention few threads ago which said 1/20 had after affects had virologist who'd had this with post covid illness, and he said Dengue fever after affects were best fit in his opinion.

So I think undertanding is a real mix bag.

www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-what-happens-to-the-body-after-contracting-the-coronavirus

That article covers what happens to various bits of the body or as much as they know.

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/revealed-long-term-severe-effects-covid-19-can-go-months/

This sort of cover the apparent huge range of symptoms post covid and how much we don't really know.

www.newscientist.com/article/mg24632881-400-why-strange-and-debilitating-coronavirus-symptoms-can-last-for-months/ New scientist article I read but it's mostly behind a paywall.

Rookiemere, not once on these threads has someone suggested a genuinely high risk activity. We all just want to quietly get on with normality. Where some of us have tiptoed across the lines, going to an empty playground, hugging a relative, having a partner over it's been very small scale, weighing up the risks of the virus and the emotional benefits of that human contact/ activity. Any hugs have been with consent. Quiet beaches have been found. Runs and piglets have been in empty fields. We just naturally found at the start that we had a core value of being critical but not necessarily unsupportive of the state of the world and found comfort in dealing with it in a satirical way rather than being dragged down by it.

With my final couple of posts last night, I accidentally ADed the same poster. They were quite random threads and didn't need a general gloom-dump all over them. I didn't twig until after the second post that it was the same poster as it was one of the indistinctive default usernames. The combination of posts struck me as being a dark-emotional place and bringing everyone down type motivation which is sad. It's such a dangerous mode to get stuck in, and that's why we need to fight for all the "small things" that put a smile back on our faces even at our darkest times.

It's strange the way that this, far more than big political stuff like Brexit, has really highlighted people's core values. It hits so personally and there's no escape.

There was an old school dementor strike. The thread involved a birthday and a disappointing DM. Double whammy. The dementor got quite a number of strong responses. It did amuse me though, classic dementor script that I parodied right on our first thread... they always were out there ♟

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Was just reading this
I've moved on to ELO on the catch-,up and it's lovely to see the crowd like soggy smarties. I lovr the runners in a race looking like smarties as they run ahead.
I remember arriving at work listening to Chris Evans interviewing Jeff Lynn and he genuinely believed that his career was over. Chris asked if he got something like 20 000 listeners to text in, would he perform live again, and Jeff agreed thinking it would never happen... half a million texts later and it totally relaunched his career with sell-out tours and new material. And he believed he was finished.

And he is playing on radio two. Mr Blue Sky (From Glasto 2016)

It was likely flu virus that trigger asthma in DS and I - and a damp rental house. There are lots of common viruses that can have nasty side affects in a few people.

I don't want to get it but I do want my kids back at school getting a decent education as that's going to have long term impact on them and their prospects in life.

I am starting to worry about Septemebr and Schools in Wales - increasingly hearing about blending learning - with a Y10 that's very worrying.

She probably wasted all her porridge salt in slugs. I’m sure if you really tried greatescape you could lactate on demand.

trustthegenie I’ve thought the same. Much of the globe suffers all sorts of nasties - which are relatively irrelevant for us, or we can swing by the GP for inoculations before we fly. We’re very cosseted here in the UK and we don’t like it up us.

I have had moments of being scared of the long term damage, too. But it is all so unknown and I am wary of anyone talking about 'permanent damage' just months into a new virus. The body actually has a remarkable ability to heal and people can bounce back from all sorts - look at brain injuries and strokes.

For me it mostly comes back to the fact that while I think I still have a healthy respect for the virus - I am washing my hands and not getting too close to friends when I see them and I understand why anyone more vulnerable needs to stay away from others at the moment - it's not just the case that this new virus has arrived on the scene and is more frightening than anything else in terms of being the only thing which could cause people problems. We know about people getting shingles after chicken pox. We know about post-viral fatigue after other viruses which can be seriously debilitating. We know people go through chemo to get rid of certain cancers but sometimes come away with side-effects that they maybe live with for the rest of their lives. Serious, unpleasant side-effects that people just have to quietly get on with usually without society caring much. Having children can leave people with prolapses or problems from tears, etc. Some people fall out of trees or crash their motorbikes and break their limbs which then gives them chronic pain for life. Life is messy and hard and yet we act as if everyone pre-covid was walking around with glowing good health.

Generally speaking we are too far removed from illness and death. It has honestly baffled me that people have reacted with such terror to the idea that a new virus might also leave some lasting damage. I don't like the idea of it - I actually have a huge amount of sympathy for anyone who does experience lasting health problems from getting the virus because it changes your life. I have personal experience of serious illness in childhood so I get it. I don't have perfect health now. But most people won't get lasting damage from Covid that has a serious impact. The tiny minority who do will deserve research and understanding but we don't shut down society because some people are in that boat.

That Jeff Lynn moment always makes me smile. He came across as such a lovely modest guy and it was such a small bluff in an interview that had such a massive effect.
I love ELO, I'm an 80s child but love a lot of older music and ELO are just such a vibrant, distinctive tapestry of sound.

I've never been to Glastonbury. In so many ways I'd love to go, just I get claustrophobic in crowds. Being short never helped, but I also ended up at the front of a crush once which was a nasty few minutes. It was in a nightclub and I was next to the DJ box when they started throwing out goodies, and everyone surged forwards to grab at them. At least we got a few... while I was butressing myself against the DJ box to stay upright, my friend was protected by her wheel chair and a few fell in her lap

One of the little pleasures that this situation has brought us - is having a milkman and bottles of milk with cream on top just we had as kids.

I have had moments of being scared of the long term damage, too.

I have this with ALL viruses.

I rely on my immune system and hygiene to keep me well but I know that there are nasty post-viral conditions from colds and flus and nastier viruses like glandular fever.

Are people really so unaware that they have run these risks for their entire lives?

Local radio (take with a pinch of salt as it's Shite 106) suggesting Leicester might lose their hairdressing renaissance.

There's some shockingly overcrowded and shitty standard housing in Leicester - I can well see how it's become a bit of a cluster. However the media seems to need a current poster child for how bad the virus has got - it was Sunderland and Gateshead for a while, before that it was London and I think Leicester is just the current one for them to descend on doom mongering from 2 metres away.

Non-homogenised milk from a glass bottle

Morning everyone.

@dingit I'm glad your dd is home again, what a stressful night for you!

Feeling a bit more positive today. Spoke to my brother last night, who had an operation a couple of weeks ago, and about whom I've been quite worried, but he sounded his normal chipper self, which was reassuring. He does have to take handfuls of pills every day but is ok with things generally.

Also found a random old thread about 12 year olds having no friends- there was some useful info on there and I'm thinking I'll see if I can get ds2 to apply for army cadets or something, for an outside interest.

So today I shall amend my ways and go to Screwfix for my new cylinder lock in an effort to make up for my lack of murdering yesterday.. @TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair made me feel thoroughly ashamed of myself for Letting The Side Down

I have a hair appointment in 2 weeks time. I am pissed off I can't get in sooner but I can't wait. I will feel a bit more myself to get it sorted out. It will feel like a luxury.

Local radio (take with a pinch of salt as it's Shite 106) suggesting Leicester might lose their hairdressing renaissance.

Oh I really hope that doesn’t happen. My sister lives in Leicester and I swear her main topic of conversation for weeks has been how desperate she is to get her hair done. She’s scored an appointment with her hairdresser for the 4th, if that doesn’t happen she’ll be unbearable. I actually think there’s a good chance she’d turn into the Incredible Hulk and go rampaging through the streets demanding a cut and colour.

Absolutely Wishing. I've known a few friends have a year or so on basic function with post-viral fatigue. DH got it after travelling in South America, wasn't particularly ill. Normally a healthy 30 year old that could spend all day bounding up mountains and just had a year of coming home from work and vegetating. He was just getting back to normal levels of energy when I met him. I've got another friend susceptible to things like glandular fever and has had a couple of rounds of no spare energy.

I'd forgotten about the clotting effect... DM was in hospital in the Midlands for 10 days in Feb. She went in with pains that were eventually attributed to her pancreas, but picked up a chest infection. She went back to DBs to build up her strength for another 3 weeks and had a DVT scare at that time. It may all be coincidence... but there are several pieces including timing that sound very, very plausible for Covid 19. I was going to see her in early March but had a cold so didn't want to risk sharing that or potentially anything worse as she was in a fragile state.

What I've never wrapped my head around in the last few months is all the mass terror. Fair enough if you are specifically high risk. No one wants to get ill anyway. The assymtomatic get trotted out about spreading, but it doesn't seem to occur to people that for such a killer disease, a surprising number aren't actually ill, or very mild. "Mild" cases resulting in long term effects aren't really mild, but 3-4 months in you can't say that post-viral effects are permananent. It's crap, and I'm sure that there could be more support in monitoring and acknowledging it.

But we can't just live quaking in fear at any potential threat.

I actually think there’s a good chance she’d turn into the Incredible Hulk and go rampaging through the streets demanding a cut and colour.

If only women rampaging for haircuts was the actual social unrest danger.

I've noticed on news interviews, the occasional pan over to the interviewer to prove that they are conducting the interview from their mandatory 2m with a long handle on their mic

Morning all.

Is it something in the water this weekend? Seems to be a lot of sad friends currently. Hand-holds, un-Mumsnetty hugs, and upside down cats for those who need them.
Don't think it will be long before mum starts drinking again - she's ticking the boxes again, she's aggressively giving us money (NO TAKE IT!!!! sort of thing) being paranoid about the neighbours being drug dealers, making excuses for why she's going to the shop....
Far enough locked down in this shitshow to give her the rage, but not far enough that she doesn't have access to alcohol.

Ho fucking hum.

I wonder how many people with addictions have relapsed during lockdown?

Also how many new addicts there will be.

My own drinking is not ideal. For the first time in my life I an drinking to block out how miserable I am. I stopped for a bit there to avoid the additional calories and because I thought it might improve my mood.

Well, it was just even more boring without drinking to look forward to. So now I'm back to weekend drinking just to make the weekend different.

I had an utterly shit weekend. Crap for every reason possible. Low point was sitting in parents’ garden in a downpour freezing our tits off while sister & BIL (both back to working on busy film sites) waltz in & out of the house ... the magic words ‘we’ve decided to bubble’ 🤮 are all that’s required to prevent viral transmission, who knew it! Stupidity abounds. No interest in actually seeing the grandchildren (who up until March were there a day a week). No I won’t bring them over to sit out in the rain and be bored, cold & miserable. I’ve decided to stay in bed today.

Ah, bloody hell, Nihiloxica.
It's shit isn't it? Having seen mother in some really horrible states, I can't drink much any more. It just leaves me cold. DH is asthmatic so I can't smoke. I'm just stuck with having a diverse other life in my head

Definitely my problem @Nihiloxica I've spent years getting myself to a point where I only drink at weekends, and lost a lot of weight mainly because of that. All gone to pot over the pandemic, and now I can't fit into half of my clothes... Really not happy with myself, but its incredibly hard to motivate myself back to where I was. Grrr.

They (parents) just can’t understand that there is absolutely NOTHING for the children to do. They have no clue. Everting is shut, their mere existence is offensive to the dementors, no they don’t want to go in yet another walkout the town, no they can’t ride bikes (for a billion reasons that they KNOW), no we can’t drive to the beach/somewhere else for the day because dh is WORKING more that full time & everywhere is too busy for ds to cope with a weekends. I can’t take them out on my own because ds needs a dedicated adult. They know this but have suddenly become so incredibly clueless & scared about everything I barely recognise them.

The most recent suggestion was that I take them wild swimming* in the Thames - a disabled 13yo, 11yo & 9yo - by myself.

• they are using the neighbour’s private pool (again no risk of infection from that - virus only spreads from nasty places like our town) ... so no problem there. The same neighbour who happily told them that a 20% contraction in the economy is no big thing because The Guardian said it would be good for the environment. I hope his fucking pension fund loses all its value.

I'm just stuck with having a diverse other life in my head

That sounds brilliant.

Do you do it by reading?

I'm reading Dickens at the moment, and he is just so brilliant at building a world and populating it with entertaining characters.

tory - I can't believe they left you out in the rain. That is so mean.

If you came to my house I'd bring you in and and give you a top hat (the marshmallow treat, not an actual hat).

I am totally traumatised this morning. A giant slug is on the outside of our glass patio door.

I feel like one of you sent it to punish me for my slug party pooping a few days ago

Domina, Nanny - any suspicious mollusc visitors at your homes?