ADs predict wine and rioting before 6.30pm (but only if the sun's out)

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Over here peeps.

Not much sun today..so plenty of wine it is

Tea Yes I thought England was in the grips of exponential Coronvirus increase. But when I checked the numbers of infected for Saturday and Sunday they are falling ( or perhaps that's because of the weekend)

I’ve just seen a thread made me want to punch something/eat 6 butteries. I have not bought any butteries during lockdown because I don’t want to be the woman the fire brigade need to knock out the windows to remove...

Just made the final payment on my eldest’s school ski trip for 2021. I’ve been fairly confident paying for this being as it’s the Cairngorms, not the aosta valley! We shall see...

I spent a long time as an expat (not a leathery one) - and whoever said they rot in their cocktails is right. Everyone’s running from something and it’s a transient population (for the best part). Gin is the glue. Never met a long-term expat not severely fucked up.

Ftr- the kids didn’t tidy their rooms and the delivery driver is coming in 30 minutes with their new beds. Such fun!

Insane the way things are going, it may be more likely that a ski trip to Italy takes place than one to the Cairngorms.

Neither DH nor I are Scottish born, the handling of this plus all the nastiness during the independence referendum has convinced us that we will move to England when we retire - if indeed free movement is allowed by then .

Can I ask a really stupid question?

I have a fair few dementors in my life and there are some here who keep saying its not all about people dying. That there are a "significant" number of people who end up with long term or life long health issues because of covid.

How could they possibly know the "long term" or "life long" effects of something that we only became aware of 4 months ago? Could it not just be a case that, as with many other illnesses some people take a longer time to recover?

Or is it now that the sadly deaths are falling, they need us to be afraid of something else?

I don't get it.

Some positive news, Prof Sikora on Twitter this morning reporting on a (peer reviewed😃) study on immunity from T cells.

Well exactly livin

But they would say there is no evidence that the issues won’t persist either. The reality is that in time the vast majority will recover, but there probably will be some people who are left with long term issues. But like the whole nasty virus scenario it is what it is.

@Mascotte yes I’ve seen that too. The think we are closer to herd immunity than people think, which hopefully will help to stop outbreaks getting out of control.

@LivinLaVidaLoki and @Tea yes, and lots of viruses can give nasty post viral things.

Livin I wondered about that long term lung damage thing as well - I guess you probably would be able to tell from the scale of damage how long term the impacts would be.

There is no denying that for some Covid-19 is a pretty nasty virus to catch, but I think the same could be said for pneumonia. But as the majority of those who had it mildly ( think our household can be included in that) were never tested, it's infuriatingly difficult to get an accurate percentage on the actual risk level.

It's a bit like the Kawaski thing they were trotting out to terrify us when it seemed that children were not likely to suffer much if they caught covid-19. Kawaski - from my very limited reading on the subject- is not a new thing and not necessarily related in any way to Covid-19. So yet another piece of misinformation to scare us.

I don't think anyone on this thread is acting genuinely recklessly, and by that I mean not following basic hygiene measures or deliberately trying to infect others. For all I hate the restrictions imposed upon us - particularly the pointless ones - I would not be keen for my elderly DPs with pre-existing conditions to catch covid and I am nervous about my friend with asthma who works on passport control at the airport who thus far has been furloughed but will have to go back.

But level of fear and measures still seem fairly disproportionate.

I'm so furious I'm going to have to rant. I have dropped a dementor 'friend'. Nothing dramatic, just deleted all her contact details and WhatsApp threads and when she contacts me next I'll delete without reading.
Yesterday, in answer to a question from her, I made clear - I thought in quite a light jokey way - that I wasn't totally positive with lockdown. Seeing as she's such an appalling snob and considers herself so upper class, I trusted that she would have enough politeness to drop the subject and stick to something less 'political'.
But no, she came back with a 3 message-long rant about 'self isolating' since March and only having left the house twice. To be fair - and this is why I've forgiven some of her views over the years - she's quite thick, so when she said 'isolating' she could have meant 'shielding', as she once had pneumonia.
But what got me was that she then wittered on about how everyone who breached lockdown should be arrested and 'given a criminal record' however long that process took and however much it cost because 'I'm fine usually but I'm vulnerable to Covid'. And I just knew that underlying it all was racism and snobbery and not being able to see anything past the end of her own nose.
She finished off by telling me I should enjoy the summer holidays with DC after all the 'hours of online schooling' . It so happens DC's private school have provided as good a standard of learning as possible. But it was the total ignorance about the schooling debacle and wider safeguarding and societal issues that just made me furious.
Selfish, stupid, ignorant idiot.
Thing is, I thought I would feel better but now I wish I'd actually told her what I think of her.

rookie I’m not sure I’d blame you, there are certainly pockets of SNP fanatics and anti-English feeling. My accent is “straight outta Henley” and I had to put someone right just yesterday and let them know the “family” has been in this damned place 400 years and they can check the church records if they wish. I’ve also sat in the hospital in Perth and been asked “no really, where were you born!”. “Downstairs”. 😒

Beds delivered. The guy asked if I wanted them to put in PPE- I declined and so they ran up the stairs 3 times each and we’re out. Oh the deaths.

Yeah, it's weird how people's existing disgust and prejudice exactly matches Covid-19's likely spread.

It's a moral disease, it turns out.

Nihiloxia It is so funny I met with a friend on Friday and we were each describing our small and inconsequential breaches of the lockdown policy. She prefaced every one with oh yes X met up with Y and they went inside, but that's ok because we trust Y. As if viruses know only to attack the non trustworthy .

Insane we've had major decorating work done over the last few weeks - led by DH as I like to spend all our money on holidays and it appears we now have a surplus of funds in that area. We even gave the guy a cup of tea - probably killing his entire family in the process.

I do think it's hysterical how in Scotland everyone nods and agrees with Nicola but then just does what they have to do to earn a living.

Some good news this morning, for the last two months DH has been on 50% time and wages at work, but as of the 1st he’s going to 80%. It’s both a relief for us and a good sign that things are picking up now.

[quote Mascotte]**@LivinLaVidaLoki* and @Tea* yes, and lots of viruses can give nasty post viral things.[/quote]
Exactly. I've said before about the lasting damage I got from glandular fever. I was really ill, but the majority of people don't have lasting damage and the world doesn't revolve around me.

It annoys me that all these virtue signalling wankers didn't previously care about disease. Things like this have always existed and will always exist, and often in poorer countries are a really real risk. They dont care about poor children dying but when it might effect them everyone must sacrifice everything to save them.

Sorry but no.

Also the Kawasaki thing has all but disappeared now. I read an article saying they had good treatment for it and it wasn't generally this big scary thing the papers made it out to be, and poof! It was no longer used as an excuse for not sending kids to school.

Now it's ooh second wave, ooh long term damage, when the reality is I don't need to go to work, don't have children or don't care about their education and my finances haven't been affected.

I found this article last week's when trying to figure out whether the obviously political claims about asymptomatic Covid causing "long term" damage was based on anything real or was just wishful thinking.

www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/06/23/864536258/we-still-dont-fully-understand-the-label-asymptomatic?t=1593417325506

From what I have read, there is a lot we don't know and only people motivated to catastrophise are claiming long term effects for mild or asymptomatic cases.

Lots of viruses cause medium to long-term effects in some patients. Unless we are locking down for glandular fever, this is not about actual risk.

@rookiemere

Livin I wondered about that long term lung damage thing as well - I guess you probably would be able to tell from the scale of damage how long term the impacts would be.

There is no denying that for some Covid-19 is a pretty nasty virus to catch, but I think the same could be said for pneumonia. But as the majority of those who had it mildly ( think our household can be included in that) were never tested, it's infuriatingly difficult to get an accurate percentage on the actual risk level.

It's a bit like the Kawaski thing they were trotting out to terrify us when it seemed that children were not likely to suffer much if they caught covid-19. Kawaski - from my very limited reading on the subject- is not a new thing and not necessarily related in any way to Covid-19. So yet another piece of misinformation to scare us.

I don't think anyone on this thread is acting genuinely recklessly, and by that I mean not following basic hygiene measures or deliberately trying to infect others. For all I hate the restrictions imposed upon us - particularly the pointless ones - I would not be keen for my elderly DPs with pre-existing conditions to catch covid and I am nervous about my friend with asthma who works on passport control at the airport who thus far has been furloughed but will have to go back.

But level of fear and measures still seem fairly disproportionate.

You're right, nobody here is purposely ignoring the rules and hoping to infect someone. We are just doing what we can to get through the time and if that's meeting a friend or family member indoors then so be it.

This virus is horrible and dangerous for certain groups of people but there are so many virus' and diseases out there that whilst are not dangerous to the majority they are to some and even someone who appears healthy could still die or suffer long term effects.

I'm pretty much ignoring the rules that are in my power to ignore.

I always wash my hands with soap and water and take steps not to spread infections.

Morning. Dd picked up at 1am from hospital in the end but has to go back this morning for steroids. She's asleep now.

Dr Hilary and Lorraine are annoying me this morning, particularly dr h who is loving being in the limelight 🙄

Morning all. Thank you for all the kind thoughts, I let other boards get to me.

Pixie I think lots of people have seen friends in a new light over this. Life is fragile, we have many a threat, I really think the government over played this one, and made too many absolutely terrified.

Ran out of milk for breakfast, unfortunately my cheese stock isn't too good either. What a dilemma!

You're right, nobody here is purposely ignoring the rules and hoping to infect someone. We are just doing what we can to get through the time and if that's meeting a friend or family member indoors then so be it.

For all our jokes about licking people and going on murder sprees to the shops no one on this thread is intent on actually doing harm. We’re mostly about common sense, being able to do your own risk assessment and cutting through sanctimonious bullshit.

Thegreatwave you must have some dust you can sprinkle on your porridge. NB if your breakfast is anything other than worthy porridge, you deserve everything you get, except maybe all bran that might be ok.

dingit Pleased to hear your DD is home, hope the hospital trip goes ok.