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2 new Covid cases in New Zealand

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nowahousewife · 16/06/2020 08:12

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-73050497.html#

Fingers crossed it's nipped in the bud but does show how difficult it is to keep anywhere free of this disease. If a small country that has pretty much shut itself off from the rest of the world can't stop Covid, what does that tell us?

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nowahousewife · 16/06/2020 08:14

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340371

Don't know how that link got there...try again!

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Ofitck · 16/06/2020 08:20

They were Brits though. They were under quarantine and allowed out early under compassionate grounds. NZ say there won't be any exceptions to leaving quarantine early anymore. The UK has the highest number of cases relative to population in the world, and with stories like this... I wouldn't be surprised if many countries banned us.

SomewhereEast · 16/06/2020 08:22

I think it tells us the limitations of the NZ model, which does depend on isolating themselves from the rest of the world to a not-easily-achievable degree (and on possessing the rare combination of a developed world infrastructure & natural geographical isolation). I don't mean that to be dismissive of NZ's achievements, but to be realistic about the issues

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LarkDescending · 16/06/2020 08:22

They haven’t said they were British citizens, but they travelled from Britiain to visit a dying parent in NZ.

AlternativePerspective · 16/06/2020 08:22

This potentially controversial, but I think that it’s actually possible that some countries shut down too early, as much as people want to blame our’s and other governments for not shutting down early enough.

I said this fairly early on, not shutting down as early does mean that some people will have been exposed to COVID and may even have had it a-symptomatically without knowing and developed some immunity. IF you cut that off before it has even spread a little bit, then you run the risk that when you re-open, you have an entire population who haven’t been exposed at all and who are all still as vulnerable as they were before the initial shutdown.

I had wondered whether the countries who shut down so quickly and who were praised for it were being a bit too confident about saying that they had eradicated the virus when other countries were still in the stages of fighting it.

It was inevitable that some people would have gone back into those countries and taken COVID with them, and with an entirely untouched population this would spread.

I think that our shutting down later might actually end up being to our benefit in the long run. And before anyone jumps on me and suggests I think that the number of deaths is a good thing, of course it isn’t. But while shutting down early might have prevented deaths this time round, if we had done that and then opened up too early the number of deaths could have been far worse.

Hopefully this is just a blip for NZ, but think it’s worth watching this space...

LarkDescending · 16/06/2020 08:22

*Britain

Bagelsandbrie · 16/06/2020 08:23

@AlternativePerspective completely agree.

BoneAppleTeaa · 16/06/2020 08:23

I can’t comment on the Covid 19 cases but I’m sure that house has been in a film and it’s annoying me now that I can’t remember it! It probably wasn’t that good a film.

MarshaBradyo · 16/06/2020 08:23

NZ will be ok if they use quarantine until vaccine. Do need a vaccine though.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 16/06/2020 08:27

Completely agree AlternativePerspective. Our Government is being absolutely slammed and ridiculed, but no one will actually know true figures for many months after worldwide second/third waves, and make up of individual populations, population density etc have been taken into account,

SomewhereEast · 16/06/2020 08:28

Ofitck I don't think for even a second that we have the highest rate of cases per capita in the world, in total or currently (very definitely not currently). The virus is now spreading like wildfire in the developing world, where countries completely lack the capacity (and / or the will) to produce any kind of accurate statistics. It would be great if we could have a discussion about the UK + Coronavirus which wasn't mired in hyperbole....the accurate facts are depressing enough surely

Chicchicchicchiclana · 16/06/2020 08:28

It was inevitable wasn't it? I don't understand the long-term thinking in NZ either.

AlternativePerspective · 16/06/2020 08:29

NZ will be ok if they use quarantine until vaccine. Do need a vaccine though. there’s no way that will be possible. One of the main incomes of NZ is its tourist industry. Make quarantine mandatory and you have instantly obliterated the tourist industry overnight, and it’s not something which you’re just going to be able to recover in a few years time when there’s a vaccine.

As for the vaccine, things have gone very quiet on that score for a number of reasons. Firstly because it’s perceived the numbers are actually dropping so quickly that it’s impossible to test the efficacy of a vaccine, and secondly because while there have been a number of trials, none of them have been effective in creating immunity against the entire virus.

The key is going to be effective treatment and herd immunity, so that less people are likely to catch it. But that is going to be a long-term thing. And in the meantime we as a world population are going to have to learn to live with COVID, or hope that it burns out, which is still a possibility.

SomewhereEast · 16/06/2020 08:31

Just to add, I'm actually really surprised that NZ isn't routinely testing everyone who does enter the country, because if I read the story currently they obviously aren't? Surely numbers entering must be low enough to make it possible? Either the NZ Gov has missed an opportunity to minimise risk or they haven't built up a great testing capacity?

LarkDescending · 16/06/2020 08:31

The long term thinking is to keep a very firm lid on it through border controls and surveillance, quashing any outbreaks as they happen, and then vaccinate as and when that is possible.

They will be fed up (understatement) about these two imported cases, but there’s no evidence yet that they infected anyone else - tracing contacts is presumably now an urgent priority.

HelloMissus · 16/06/2020 08:31

I zoom with friends in NZ each week and initially they were so happy with how the crisis was handled. But now this is a worry creeping in. Without tourism, many businesses will fold and yet allowing foreign tourism will inevitably lead to Covid cases.

Angelonia · 16/06/2020 08:32

The UK has the highest number of cases compared to population in the world - that's not correct. According to worldometer the UK is 25th (for cases per 1m population).

MarshaBradyo · 16/06/2020 08:33

Alternative NZ can do travel with other countries who are in the same position. This is risky / intensive you’d need to check where they had been before arriving.

On vaccine : Oxford group are now trialling in Brazil due to low cases.

I wouldn’t actually want UK to be in same position as we are an international hub, whether it’s right for them it might work. Or not.

PuppyMonkey · 16/06/2020 08:33

100 new cases in Beijing too.

Amazing house though.

theonlywayisapple · 16/06/2020 08:34

NZ would have to shut itself off from the world completely if they want to be virus free. They need to learn to live with it as it’s not sustainable. We need to learn to live with it as well without the hyperbole

Rebelwithallthecause · 16/06/2020 08:35

Surly this shows why air travel shouldn’t be allowed at all yet

They didn’t have symptoms when they left, but had symptoms on arrival but not clear enough to be COVID

This is scary to think they are opening up the skies again fully soon

Rebelwithallthecause · 16/06/2020 08:36

The house is amazing and no problem being able to socially distance inside

Even the wine and cars are socially distancing

Quartz2208 · 16/06/2020 08:36

I agree AlternativePerspective and our biggest issue here in the UK has been our appalling handling of care homes and PPE there. Hospital figures I think are fairly commensurate with the rest of Europe

GreyGardens88 · 16/06/2020 08:37

NZ can't keep themselves shut off forever, ridiculous approach

AlternativePerspective · 16/06/2020 08:40

NZ cannot shut down indefinitely, and neither can the air travel industry shut down indefinitely.

As harsh as it is there does need to be a balance, and I think that countries like NZ have got it very wrong. I think that when we look back after this is all over it won’t be the UK who are upheld as the country who got it so far wrong.

Agree that care homes and PPE were the biggest issue.

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