2 new Covid cases in New Zealand

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Fingers crossed it's nipped in the bud but does show how difficult it is to keep anywhere free of this disease. If a small country that has pretty much shut itself off from the rest of the world can't stop Covid, what does that tell us?

I literally asked DH last night about NZ. How do they actually avoid it happening at some point without a vaccine or it fizzles out. Isn’t it just delaying the inevitable.

I hope there is a great big outbreak. I hate that smug prime minster.

I see you have extremely high standards.

@BoneAppleTeaa

I can’t comment on the Covid 19 cases but I’m sure that house has been in a film and it’s annoying me now that I can’t remember it! It probably wasn’t that good a film.

The replacement?

The house question was answered at 848 am .

Well, if they will let us disease ridden people in.
At least they were quarantined on arrival, hopefully they won't allow it to spread like britain did. Not saying UK, as everywhere else in UK have managed to keep cases low.

@WotnoPasta

I literally asked DH last night about NZ. How do they actually avoid it happening at some point without a vaccine or it fizzles out. Isn’t it just delaying the inevitable.

Without a vaccine, yes. Delaying the inevitable and the annihilation of the economy.

Perhaps China will lend some money. They like lending to Pacific nations in need, though on onerous terms then install strategic military infrastructure in payment of the inevitable default.

I'm sure it'll all be fine.

'hopefully they won't allow it to spread like britain did. Not saying UK, as everywhere else in UK have managed to keep cases low.'

Again, I think size and density of population has more to do with the spread of a virus than anyone 'allowing' it to spread. NI's population is 2million.

@getofyourhighhorse shhhh people don’t like to hear that.

NI's population is 2million.

And the population of London alone is nearly 9m.

Of course the lower density population and geographical distance making isolation easy helped.

It also helped having clear, decisive, transparent leadership - as opposed to bumbling ineptitude bleating that it was following the science contradicting the next day what they had firmly announced was the science backed guidelines the previous day. And of course, having a National leader that didn't manage to catch covid at the very worst possible moment for the country (having been shaking covid sufferer's hands, because he's immune don't you know, despite being middle aged and overweight, and he's not scared), and ever since then he seems to be MIA unless he can't possibly avoid having to come out from behind the sofa. . .that had to have helped. Smug or not.

@AlternativePerspective I have wondered this too. 1

NZ has announced the reopening of parkrun, on 4 July

Their runners will be very happy!

(The whole population of NI is, btw, lower than the number who have been advised to shield across UK)

Those advocating for herd immunity without a vaccine, just explain to me how that would be achieved and how many people would have to die before there was just a low rate of infection swirling round in the population (and still killing more people)?

Imo so called 'herd immunity' with no vaccine should be an absolute last resort, once you have tried and failed to contain/eradicate it because it is basically giving up and just letting the virus do it's worse, then we pick ourselves up, bury our dead and get on with life. Also, we don't even know how long immunity might last after catching it. Those criticising NZ approach because of the economic damage of lockdown and closed borders, I bet it's a whole lot cheaper than the mess we've made.

Without a vaccine, yes. Delaying the inevitable and the annihilation of the economy.

A vaccine COULD be just around the corner. I bet the NZ approach has been a lot less damaging to the economy than ours has.

It's nothing to do with tory politics. it was science. Labour would have went with the science as they'd have used the exact same scientists. If you don't believe that then your letting you politics brainwash you

There are some leaks suggesting they didn't go with the scientific advisors. They are only advisors, ultimately the MPs make the decisions.
Who knows whether Labour would have done anything differently, but there is evidence that governments who have followed the scientist's advice have fared better.

'There are some leaks suggesting they didn't go with the scientific advisors. '

Ah, leaks. Yet the released SAGE minutes show they did go with the advice?

Ferguson conveniently changing his mind in hindsight despite the lockdown plan being a unanimous decision at the time.

I don’t think anyone on the thread has been advocating herd immunity. Just pointing out that if you want to return life to how it was before, then that is what is needed.

Yes, doing it without a vaccine would have enormous human and economic cost.

We still do not know enough about the body’s immune response to know if adequate immunity (whether from disease or vaccine) is achievable, nor if it would need topping up and how often

As for Neil Ferguson, he clearly didn’t believe in lockdown as he broke it without question and only resigned when he was found out.

There’s a difference between believing in lockdown and believing lockdown should apply to you.I think he’d already had and recovered from COVID-19 by the time he broke lockdown though. It was the image rather than the idea of lockdown that caused the problem for him and made his job untenable, IMO.

I hope there is a great big outbreak. I hate that smug prime minster.

Well, what a charmer you are! Incidentally, I doubt the people of NZ care what you think - you stick with your PM, we'll stick with ours.

Incidentally, do you realise how ridiculous it sounds, those of you sitting in the economic and health mess that is the UK predicting doom and gloom for NZ? I don't care if you have family/friends here, or how much research you have done, unless you are actually living here you have no idea.

Well said @mbosnz & @KenDodd

@eaglejulesk

I hope there is a great big outbreak. I hate that smug prime minster.

Well, what a charmer you are! Incidentally, I doubt the people of NZ care what you think - you stick with your PM, we'll stick with ours.

Incidentally, do you realise how ridiculous it sounds, those of you sitting in the economic and health mess that is the UK predicting doom and gloom for NZ? I don't care if you have family/friends here, or how much research you have done, unless you are actually living here you have no idea.

Well said @mbosnz & @KenDodd

Everyone I've spoken to, Eaglejulesk, has really admired the approach taken in New Zealand. I'd swop Boris for Jacinda any day, although it wouldn't be fair on NZ.

I am not sure why some posters are saying a second wave would have a worse effect in New Zealand. Surely one reason why the numbers affected were so low was because of the track and trace arrangements? Estimates about the number of people affected in the UK are so variable, partly because until recently, only a limited number of people were tested. Some people here may think they have had it when they have not. If they behave as if they are immune, surely that is an additional risk which could be as serious, if not more, than a population which assumes hardly anyone is immune?

I am not sure why some posters are saying a second wave would have a worse effect in New Zealand
Because they're lying and they're all only a mask slip away from wishing death on NZers like the PP. They see NZ's PM's competence as a direct insult to Boris' inability to govern.

Thanks nettie434

I agree about a second wave. Many people in the UK haven't been affected, including I suspect many of those who think they have been, so are surely just as susceptible to a second wave. In NZ anyone with even just one symptom is referred for testing so hopefully that will help in keeping things under control. Also all the instructions here have been communicated clearly, which is also a big help.

I've thought about your offer to swap PMs, and after careful consideration I'm afraid I'm going to decline - sorry!

That house had been sold

I haven't RTFT sorry, i'm from NZ and it looks to be the 2 women who have CV drove from Akl - Wgtn and stopped on the way.
Jacinda Ardern is massively PO'd about it:

www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121860437/ministry-to-hunt-down-anyone-from-the-flight-or-hotel-of-new-cases-as-close-contacts

www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121855818/coronavirus-border-bungle-an-unacceptable-failure--prime-minister-jacinda-ardern

Heard on the news just now that the army is being brought in to take charge of quarantine arrangements in New Zealand and that there will be no exceptions made on compassionate grounds. Of course quarantine affects tourism but this incident is why I am glad that the UK government has so far resisted the airline lobby's attempts to change the new quarantine arrangements here.