2 new Covid cases in New Zealand

[nowahousewife]

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Fingers crossed it's nipped in the bud but does show how difficult it is to keep anywhere free of this disease. If a small country that has pretty much shut itself off from the rest of the world can't stop Covid, what does that tell us?

@NannyPhlegm

To a point, although we don't develop immunity to flu either, yet there is a flu vaccine, which works, and which saves thousands of lives every year..

@ATomeOfOnesOwn

We are all dependent on a vaccine unless Covid19 fades away on its own. Herd immunity will never work outside of a vaccine. We have had thousands of unnecessary deaths, trashed our economy , there were no positives to a later lockdown YY this. I also don't understand why posters are saying 'oh we can't be like NZ'. There is no doubt that if we had closed our borders. Established strict quarantine. And locked down earlier. That we would have had less deaths and would be in a much better position economically. We may not have eradicated it. But to pretend that the complete and utter shambles in the UK was the only response and we could never have been organised and responsive as NZ was, well, that's putting Tory politics over reality.

Completely completely agree! Even Neil Ferguson, who was on SAGe making the decisions, admitted if we’d locked down a week earlier we could have had half the number of deaths.

Personally I do know and think we have a much higher traffic into the Uk and are more densely populated. However we had Italy as a warning which we did not heed. No discussion about Italy in early sage meetings.

NZ have backed themselves into a corner a bit, but they still have handled it a lot, lot better than we have.

I hope there is a great big outbreak. I hate that smug prime minster

And clearly not a fan of the hospital staff, the people affected and their families and just generally everyone there that would be affected by another lockdown either.

WTAF!

@FixTheBone

We do develop immunity to influenza which is why the vaccines work.

But flu mutates very quickly, so we only have immunity to older strains we have encountered in the past.

@Regretful123

I hope there is a great big outbreak. I hate that smug prime minster.

Nice 🙄

How do you imagine there will be a big outbreak without deaths? And you want people to experience pain and suffering because you don’t like one woman?

I hope there is a great big outbreak. I hate that smug prime minster.

@Regretful123 - I have no words I could post in response to your comment. I hope you get well soon.

Sigh... there are some really strange comments on this thread. And other threads. Denying the uk has badly handled this, when even members of SAGE have admitted it. And wanting NZ to have outbreaks and deaths just to prove it. Muddled thinking.

It’s okay to criticise our own country! It should make us stronger, to look what has happened squarely in the eye, stop all this ‘towing the line’ rubbish so that we can make better decisions now and in the future. It’s going to be a long haul.

What a disgusting comment, @Regretful123.

I live in NZ. Before Covid there were 500,000 children living in poverty. Thanks to job losses that number will become much greater. We also have high rates of suicide and domestic violence. Again - tipped to rise. What do you think would happen if we suffered a large outbreak?

Wishing more human misery in a world where there is already plenty is psychopathic.

Even Neil Ferguson, who was on SAGe making the decisions, admitted if we’d locked down a week earlier we could have had half the number of deaths. would this be the same Neil Ferguson who had no regard for lockdown himself as he broke it to go off and shag his lover?

I’m guessing he’s trying to make his voice heard now because he showed himself up as a complete twat.

As for suggesting the UK should have shut down all borders, gone into complete lockdown as New Zealand did, the only reason why New Zealand were able to do this was because they’re already thousands of miles away from anywhere. It was easy to lock down the borders and stop people coming in because you have to travel for hours to get there. Not at all comparable with Europe.

And given NZ have only a population of 5 million people with a vastly spread out country, people are practically social distancing by default anyway.

In NZ, where do you quarantine? Do they put you in some kind of quarantine hostel, or are you allowed to travel to your hotel, someone's house or something? How do you manage about food, for example? Can you go shopping?

And I really don't like that house. It looks cold and unwelcoming, and more like an office, inside and out. Some of the living areas look like the reception area of a large business.

I don’t think we could have done as NZ here, the quarantine we are imposing now is hitting hard, and has a short time span.

However would we be faring better if we had imposed restrictions earlier?

I’m not sure either way.

@AlternativePerspective

Even Neil Ferguson, who was on SAGe making the decisions, admitted if we’d locked down a week earlier we could have had half the number of deaths. would this be the same Neil Ferguson who had no regard for lockdown himself as he broke it to go off and shag his lover?

I’m guessing he’s trying to make his voice heard now because he showed himself up as a complete twat.

So you agree lockdown was a good idea and that he was bad for breaking it?

I don’t understand your points. I’m completely in agreement that NZ is geographically different, less dense, less traffic in and out. They were dealt an easier hand.

However this does not let the UK off the hook, Ireland has had less deaths, France had less, Switzerland, even Italy!

Even locking down a week earlier, asking people coming back from Italy skiing to self isolate even without symptoms, asking people to work from home if able at the beginning of March - all of these would have had no worse impact on the economy, required little more than advice, and yet would have cut our death rates and Covid rates drastically.

Exponential growth means that small changes early on have a huge difference. You don’t wait until the curve starts to speed up. There is not advantage to have waited for lockdown. None at all.

@SoupDragon @LipstickTaserrr @BoneAppleTeaa Have you seen the movie ‘Parasite’, it also looks to me like the posho house used in that movie. Might be wrong but looks very similar to me.

AlternativePerspective

The cases came from Britain. The mistake New Zealand made was allowing the 2 people to break the 2 weeks quarantine for compassionate reasons. The problem is we locked down too late and still have a lot of cases. I think countries like New Zealand that are free of it should ban travel from coutries that still have new infections every day like we do,

I've not seen Parasite, no. I recognised the house immediately from the outside (insofar as I knew it was a TV programme with a lot of killings!)

(The price is £9m higher than in the original link though!)

@WhatWouldDominicDo

In NZ travellers are put in hotels, usually 4*, food is provided. Up to now the costs are covered by NZ around $6500 per person, around 3250GBP.

Not sure how long NZ Gov will pay for this.

@ StayinginSummer I never said we shouldn’t have gone into lockdown. I said that NZ going into lockdown too early has very likely put them in a very difficult position now as when the virus recurs there it is likely to have a far bigger impact.

As for Neil Ferguson, he clearly didn’t believe in lockdown as he broke it without question and only resigned when he was found out. So the fact he’s now making statements that we should have gone into lockdown earlier makes him a complete hipocrit.

@ Nonnymum unless they have traced the people the two women caught the virus from they can’t possibly know that.

The flight came from Britain, but it also stopped at two other destinations along the way. The women didn’t display symptoms for some time, so it is impossible to say that it definitely came from Britain.

@WhatWouldDominicDo

Hotel quarantine, food is provided. But this pair were allowed to leave early on compassionate grounds - obviously this was the wrong call from the government.

I hope there is a great big outbreak. I hate that smug prime minster.

What a bloody revolting thing to say. She might be smug (I don't think she is, but if she is, she's got a fair bit to be pleased with herself about), but I really hate to think what you must be like as a person, that is nasty enough to think that, let alone dim enough to post it.

@AlternativePerspective

@ StayinginSummer I never said we shouldn’t have gone into lockdown. I said that NZ going into lockdown too early has very likely put them in a very difficult position now as when the virus recurs there it is likely to have a far bigger impact.

As for Neil Ferguson, he clearly didn’t believe in lockdown as he broke it without question and only resigned when he was found out. So the fact he’s now making statements that we should have gone into lockdown earlier makes him a complete hipocrit.

I believe we should have gone into lockdown a week or so earlier. And bought in some quick easy social distancing earlier than that.

However I don’t know why you think New Zealand will be in a worse position if they get an outbreak? They will be better prepared, more informed re treatment, better testing, more PPE. We in the UK were scrabbling for PPE at the peak, and learning about medical treatment all the time.

Time, for preparation and learning, is hugely beneficial.

If NZ got an outbreak later they will be much better equipped and therefore less deaths.

Also, contact tracing is KEY at the moment. Every country, including the UK, will be better able to manage an outbreak with good contact tracing in place. That has taken time. We are still not great with this in the UK. It’s taken time.

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