36 COVID fatalities reported today. We are on the way out of this 🌟🌟

[Jkslays]

36 reported fatalities today (weekend caveat), the lowest number since the day before lockdown was announced. 77 & 115 the last two Sundays for comparison

Mercifully, the human toll of this crisis is easing

I'm hopeful the trends will continue to improve

As reported by Professor Karol Sikora on Twitter

This is amazing news and surely our schools should be able to open as normal come September!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2020/06/01/impact-of-coronavirus-on-cancer-services-revealed-over-2-million-people-waiting-for-screening-tests-and-treatments/amp/

Maybe cancer research are lying

Haven't read the thread but just read last few posts and my 3 hospital appointments have all been cancelled at the start of lockdown and no prospect of being seen.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/24/gp-covid-patients-doctors-coronavirus

www.cornerwaysmedicalcentre.nhs.uk/local-doctor-urges-people-with-health-concerns-to-not-put-off-making-a-gp-appointment-during-covid-19/

thebristolcable.org/2020/05/where-are-my-patients-gp-speaks-out-about-non-covid-19-health-problems-coronavirus/

Maybe these GPs are lying too ..

@Jkslays

No, that's a and e presentations

I've been due to have four hospital appointments during lockdown, 2 in the past week. All have been telephone consultations. At today's the Dr told me I need to be seen in person as soon as possible and he's put me on the list to have one of the first appointments once they are allowed to see patients again "hopefully within the next three months". So nothing to do with patients choosing not to be seen. That's procedural. So why?

Wrong again. Lots of articles from doctors saying dementia and cancer diagnosis are massively down because people are not going to see GP or long waiting lists to see consultant.

Honestly, your cherry picking the things that help keep you in this miserable state of existing

Oh my god. I'm not cherry picking anything. This is my own experience. I am currently under rheumatology, orthopaedics, gastroenterology, cardiology and respiratory across two hospitals - none of them have I been able to see face to face. Orthopaedic appointment was today - if services were back up and running you would think they would be most likely to not be affected by COVID. Had telephone consultation today, still no face to face. Told I need to be seen urgently, as soon as they are seeing patients face to face they will get me in, hopefully in three months time.

My other appointments ive got no clue. Rheumatology is July - telephone. Cardio and gastro are in September. Urgent respiratory - referred in February, cardiologist has chased twice since but still haven't even got an appointment yet. But sure, keep on believing it's patients that don't want to be seen if it makes you feel better.

It's great news and in fact the actual number of deaths in the last 24 hours is even lower. The number of people in hospital has significantly fallen as well despite steady(ish) infections. In the UK there are 5.5k in hospital with COVID - a few weeks ago this was 18k.

Long may it continue. OP your positivity was spot on 😀

I've also not managed to get a new hearing aid as mine is on its last legs. It doesn't matter much as I have been laid off through shielding so it's just my hungry teens I can't hear. And it's easy to guess what they're saying.

What time's dinner? Or some variant of that.

I have some worrying new symptoms but putting it off as don't want to catch covid in a hospital if there's a second wave.

It is either something or nothing (I'm 50 too so all symptoms are due to being an old bat unless proved otherwise) so waiting to see if I get worse or better.

I reckon if I get worse I will be seen quicker and not wait in the very long outpatient queue if or when the NHS is back.

It's hard to be b,asé about covid after getting three identical letters saying

YOURE FUCKED, PACK A HOSPITAL BAG NOW, and a lovely text series with such gems as OH AND PLAY SUDOKU WHILE YOURE WAITING TO DIE.

Still I got chicken meatballs and a fray bentos pie and mushy peas delivered by Boris and co so that's ok.

Luckily I hate shopping so I'm not remotely jealous.

Oh, that feels better already.

Have you not wondered why the hospitals aren't back up and running normally if it was so unnecessary, capacity wasn't needed etc etc

Hospitals are not over run, they are quiet. our local hospital had 850 beds empty. The problem is working out the best way of introducing routine services while keeping patients (and staff) safe from infection. Covid has been a nosocomial infection in a large part, they need to prevent spread to people who are vulnerable because they are ill with other conditions.

Lots of work is being done on getting back to business safely and optimising service.

I am currently under rheumatology, orthopaedics, gastroenterology, cardiology and respiratory

I can see why you wouldn’t want lockdown to end.

@Jkslays

I ve been out enjoying this lovely summers evening but now i'm home, i have read the last 4 pages... my you have been busy!

Well documented that the NHS isn't doing routine treatment, inc my friends multi fractured collar bone (now non union, she is deformed until she can get an operation) or my aunties cancer tests (she has been in remission for 3 years) all stopped.

This is a policy, there is no need for it to continue but the Govt wants it to, who nows why?

@TazSyd

I am currently under rheumatology, orthopaedics, gastroenterology, cardiology and respiratory

I can see why you wouldn’t want lockdown to end.

Why? I desperately want it to end. My life is a million times better out of lockdown. I've lived with my health problems for a long time, it's lockdown that's made them unbearable.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras like you said that’s your experience. The GPs I posted links to above have different experiences

I have some worrying new symptoms but putting it off as don't want to catch covid in a hospital if there's a second wave.

I’d reckon now would be the best possible time to sort that out.

@Jkslays

Hearhoovesthinkzebras like you said that’s your experience. The GPs I posted links to above have different experiences

Yes, but that wasn't supporting your point wholeheartedly.

Some of the drop in numbers were patients not presenting - either at A and E or the GP - due to fear but the other reasons were GPS or hospitals not seeing patients or not referring them, which was my point. It's not solely due to patients choosing not to present, it's also due to many services not running.

And yes, I've described my experiences but I don't think the hospitals and specialties I'm under have decided to only treat me like it. All of the patients at those hospitals, under those specialties, will be treated in the same way ie service currently not running due to Covid

@hearhoovesthinkzebras

I thought your position is that it’s ending too early, which isn’t fair on those that have to shield? Sorry if I misunderstood.

Unfortunately, here in Australia, there is still a vortex of negativity when the media breathlessly report a positive test result. Yes, when someone even tests positive (and not even a hospitalisation, just a positive swab) there is an orgy of doom among a certain cohort. It's extraordinary to witness.

How do you account for that, skeptile?

I lived in Sydney for a while and it taught me a lot. When the G8 met In Sydney, there was lots of hysteria about becoming a terrorist target. I remember being Urged to ‘get outta town’ fir the week.

I had the impression then that they felt like being a terrorist target somehow elevated Aus on the world stage and made them more relevant. It was weird.

Caveat - I love Australia!

[quote TazSyd]@hearhoovesthinkzebras

I thought your position is that it’s ending too early, which isn’t fair on those that have to shield? Sorry if I misunderstood.[/quote]
No my position is that government have massively fucked up, are ending it far too quickly (in suddenly opening everything at the same time, rather than in an orderly way and assessing each step) and without fulfilling the steps that they outlined as necessary before ending lockdown, particularly having track and trace in place.

Hospitals even during the highest point of infection weren't running at full capacity as people were staying away from A&E unless it was absolutely necessary. A&E departments were eerily empty. No admissions from elderly that would normally come in with eg urine infections were not presenting at hospital, i guess families were too worried about them getting the virus in hospital. Wards in my hospital were closed with no patients. Staff were moved to wards that were short staffed due to the number off with Covid. We had loads of empty beds as did other hospitals, hence why our emergency Covid hospital was never used. My ward had Covid patients, we weren't full at any time, less than half capacity mostly. We have a full ward now, non Covid and a few wards have opened back up again to patients. Nowhere is operating as normal, not even hospitals.

Countess, yes, FOMO is a central part of our national psyche. Along with extreme negativity, aggression and suffocating conformity. All now amplified by current circumstances.

Yes, FOMO - that’s what it was!

I remember saying to DH, ‘it’s like they want to be a target, so they are the same as the USA.’

in suddenly opening everything at the same time

Are pubs open? Restaurants? Cafes? Gyms? Swimming pools? Schools? Hotels? Hairdressers?

Everything is not opening at the same time. It's a phased reopening along the lines which appear to be working well elsewhere in the world.

A drop of 86.6% in fatalities in six weeks. If this continues on we should be fine for our kids to go back in September at normal capacity.

I also think the relaxing of the lockdown in this manner was much needed. Children need to go back to school in September not just for them ( which is vital for their education) but so parents can go back to work. The aspect for people losing their homes is real.

Poster too soon -

So getting things moving now, rather than in September will give us an indication if we are likely to have an spike.

There is a thread going at the moment which posters believe that the virus was here much earlier - which through family experience I’m inclined to agree with. We just don’t know if the majority of people are actually immune to this already and that’s why we havnt really has any significant spikes at points when people were scared we would.

in suddenly opening everything at the same time

They're not doing that unless I've missed something?