36 COVID fatalities reported today. We are on the way out of this 🌟🌟

[Jkslays]

36 reported fatalities today (weekend caveat), the lowest number since the day before lockdown was announced. 77 & 115 the last two Sundays for comparison

Mercifully, the human toll of this crisis is easing

I'm hopeful the trends will continue to improve

As reported by Professor Karol Sikora on Twitter

This is amazing news and surely our schools should be able to open as normal come September!

From Tuesday 28 April, NHS England and NHS Improvement started to report the number of patient deaths where there has been no COVID-19 positive test result, but where COVID-19 is documented as a direct or underlying cause of death on part 1 or part 2 of the death certification process. This change has been introduced for deaths that occurred on 24th April and subsequently and is shown separately in the region data table only. When making comparisons over time these figures should not be included.

They provide the data but don't use it for comparisons over time because they need consistency to show trends.

@IcedPurple

I've just read an article that states that death figures now are for people who have had a positive test

Can you link to it?

news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-how-the-covid-19-death-data-gets-released-in-the-uk-

news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-how-the-covid-19-death-data-gets-released-in-the-uk-11985137?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15922396450667&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcoronavirus-how-the-covid-19-death-data-gets-released-in-the-uk-11985137

Sorry, tried to shorten the first link but it didn't work

Sadly the problem may well be that with all the relaxations [and stupidity with breaching the rules] then the toll may again rise steeply.

I do hope not!

@Jkslays

No, that article was describing how anyone could claim that the dead person possibly had Covid, whether they did or not, because tests hadn't been done

I agree. So that means that that the death stats are overestimated. No?

The Sky News link is from May 10th, so over a month out of date.

Again, not very helpful.

Yeah you're still wrong. It still exactly the same

The daily deaths announced are -

"From 29 April, figures for deaths include all cases where there is a positive confirmed test for coronavirus.". Previously, the data had excluded deaths outside hospitals.

(source - www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public).

The ONS stats, published once a week, "publishes weekly counts of deaths in which COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate". So this number is bigger; up to 29 May, the ONS stat was already 45,516; the DHE number in total today is 41,736.

This is interesting. It means people who suspect a second wave could keep a daily check

A look at previous Monday. It’s going down ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️

@Jkslays

No, that article was describing how anyone could claim that the dead person possibly had Covid, whether they did or not, because tests hadn't been done

I agree. So that means that that the death stats are overestimated. No?

Yes, it could mean that.

Whatever statistics are used, you can only get a true comparison by looking at those that use the same parameters.

I'm trying to find a link to the reporter who said they are now including only those who died from, rather than with, Covid.

I saw the figures and they gave me hope. Haven’t been shopping though, we’re not out of it yet and should be cautious of a 2nd peak.

@Jkslays

This is interesting. It means people who suspect a second wave could keep a daily check

But we are still in the first wave, so why would we be looking for the second wave?

An increase now would be a second peak of the first wave, not a second wave.

This whole "Wooo! Lockdown worked" followed by "Lets take lockdown away and send the kids back to school etc" makes no sense to me.

Lockdown is working. So let's stop doing it?

@ChavvySexPond

This whole "Wooo! Lockdown worked" followed by "Lets take lockdown away and send the kids back to school etc" makes no sense to me.

Lockdown is working. So let's stop doing it?

What's the alternative stay in it forever?

This whole "Wooo! Lockdown worked" followed by "Lets take lockdown away and send the kids back to school etc" makes no sense to me

Lockdown was an emergency measure to contain the spread of the virus so that the NHS would not be overwhelmed. It was never intended to be sustained indefinitely, because that would lead to a collapse of both economy and society.

That's why lockdowns are being gradually released all over the world.

The figures reported each day at the briefing have always been those with a positive test. So that would include those from and with Covid. Until 29th (?) April it was only hospital deaths except for Scotland. After that date it includes all settings but only with a positive test. The ONS figures include people at home or in a care home where a Doctor suspects Covid.

This is why it's so hard to compare across countries because death from and death with isn't the same but that's what our 'official' number is.

Whichever way we look at the numbers, they are headed in the right direction and would hope that this week's daily deaths will be substantially under 200 per day
430 admitted to hospital now down from the 3500 peak. Arguably, the infection amongst the main risk groups is now lower than it was in April, so a smaller percentage of those admitted now will go onto need ICU/will eventually die

That's why lockdowns are being gradually released all over the world.

But everywhere else has been quite honest with their public that lockdown measures may need to be reintroduced as cases start to rise again. I think that might come as a surprise to some of the British public.

But everywhere else has been quite honest with their public that lockdown measures may need to be reintroduced as cases start to rise again

France has ruled another lockdown out as the economic cost is too high.

But everywhere else has been quite honest with their public that lockdown measures may need to be reintroduced as cases start to rise again. I think that might come as a surprise to some of the British public.

Then they haven’t been paying attention.

I’m no fan of this shower of a government but they’ve repeatedly been clear on that point, including the potential for local or regional lockdowns.

That's why lockdowns are being gradually released all over the world.

Agreed and why I didn’t go shopping today, we don’t need anything that we can’t order online. It would just have been a day out. I can’t see myself going shopping in the near future. Quite happy over ordering online, trying on at home and then sending half of it back.

But everywhere else has been quite honest with their public that lockdown measures may need to be reintroduced as cases start to rise again

"Everywhere else"?

Really?

You're familiar with the public information campaigns in every one of the many countries which has eased lockdown? I doubt it.

This idea that 'everywhere else' has done a superb job and Britain is the only exception is nonsense. If you actually speak to people from 'everywhere else' you'll find out that many of them are highly critical of their government's response.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras either way

You can still track if you want to.

What's the alternative stay in it forever?

Some people here would love that.