Anti-dementors riding the roller coasters

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And going to pubs, restaurants and zoos!

Hopefully this will post (pic).

Oh god, that article. So my vulnerable child doesn’t matter as much as hers, is that about right? So I have to ‘walk the walk’, by which she presumably means ‘watch his development stall, and the after effects ripple throughout his life’. Like they did for my brother, whose ASD wasn’t diagnosed until he was 17, and who still lives at home with no independence because there was no help for him when he was still young and developing all those life skills that most of us just pick up without realising it. What she’s actually saying is fuck those kids, who cares about them, right?

I completely agree, and I would feel the same if I had a child that was vulnerable, I'm a horrible neurotic parents. But I still don't understand the insinuation that this needs to be at the detriment of literally everything else. Everything.

@Shodan

Here are the hunters...

So dignified.

They should do the daily briefing.

This bloody phone.

I'm a horribly neurotic parent.

I'm not horrible. At least I don't think so!

I have "Go Rishi! Go Rishi!" stuck in my head, like the "Go Ricky" chant at the end of Ricky Lake.

We've been sent a survey on blended learning by the school. Am actually having to sit on my hands so I dont write very angry things on it. It's not the HT's fault, but I didnt consent to this.

The hand is mine. Taken last year...the advantages of being a parent and a (non-official) MiL to zoo keepers.

Good god that article is awful.

Article about schools which was shared on the Scottish Us for Them Facebook group:
www.ft.com/content/1de6a2c7-f91f-4bfc-ae35-85425b8cc152

@Nihiloxica They'd make more sense than most of those who are currently doing them...

Judgy Cat is judging you.

Omg @maxnormal. Unbelievable. Proper pisses me off that there is now only one definition of vulnerable and that's 'covid vulnerable'. Our children are the most vulnerable members of our society by pretty much every measure going, bar their susceptibility to covid and so we're sacrificing them. The only other group probably as vulnerable are our elderly and I was all for doing all we could to protect them too. When I read yesterday that they've been dying of dehydration in care homes I just thought 'what's the point? We're not even managing to protect the group who are the most covid vulnerable'. Gah, that article has made me lose my aforementioned spring in my step!

Aww, I love the capybara! You’re so lucky getting to play what them. When DD was little we used to have season tickets to Chessington, there’s one of those scramble nets and bridges type playground right by the capybaras there. DD would happily disappear into that for ages while I’d sit and watch the capybaras.

@Cattermole

Judgy Cat is judging you.

Please convey my sincere apologies and willingness to make amends.

You know what, if I was the Government, I wouldn't progress with the reduction from 2m to 1m for a couple of weeks - I'd flag it up as a future move and then just sit tight. After a couple of weeks of reduced infection numbers I'd then introduce it. We'd also by then have had two weeks of more shops open and people queuing at a 2m distance to get in (hopefully in the rain) and getting increasingly frustrated by that - so there'd be a growing support for the idea. But then I'm devious like that..

Has anyone else seen this? An article in the Independent by a Mumsnet member.

If someone really did say “fuck the vulnerable” I would be extremely pissed off too, but I don’t quite get how she’s drawing a line between “parents want healthy kids back at school” and “parents have turned against my vulnerable child”. Maybe I missed something?

I don’t understand how wanting my dd back at school means I don’t care about the vulnerable. Surely there could be grouping of shielded teachers and learners to try to deliver a quality online education and then get the kids back who can safely?

Good to see Blitz spirit back though

I also think if we ruin the economy there will be far more people in difficult and vulnerable situations and less money to support them. State support has always needed better funding and a recession helps no one.

@MaudesMum I suspect the snap YouGov poll was pretty much a water-test for exactly that. What was it, 58% of people who want it to remain at 2m?
(I think it's also interesting that the media are presenting that as most Brits. If Junior Mole got 58% in an test I don't think I'd be saying he got most of it right!)

@Nihiloxica the Fat Boi graciously accepts your apologies, at the same time as shedding black fur and muddy pawprints over Junior Mole's white bedding...

What she’s actually saying is fuck those kids, who cares about them, right?

^ those kids are kids like mine & I’ve always kind of known that yes most people are perfectly happy to fuck them. The veneer of being see to be a decent person means they wouldn’t actually say that especially on mumsnet ... it would be a head tilt & a few platitudes.

Now in the covid world they are positively salivating at the opportunity to say fuck you your kids are inconvenient while maintaining the moral authority of Being Kind. They are truly deeply & essentially awful people. I despise them & that’s why I’m so angry.

@GoldenOmber

Has anyone else seen this? An article in the Independent by a Mumsnet member.

If someone really did say “fuck the vulnerable” I would be extremely pissed off too, but I don’t quite get how she’s drawing a line between “parents want healthy kids back at school” and “parents have turned against my vulnerable child”. Maybe I missed something?

The post tile was fuck the vulnerable, I think there were asterisks like f* but that doesn’t make it any better. It’s wasn’t a nice thread in any way, no one came out of it looking good and it was pulled in less than an hour of posting.

I’ve seen the POV from a vulnerable person or the parents of vulnerable child that lockdown ending or children going back to school shouldn’t be happening a few times. I can see that being in that position is absolutely shitty, and I’ve tried very hard to understand because i always think it’s important to see every side, but I’m struggling with this one. It’s either everyone stays at home and the country absolutely collapses or the vulnerable stay at home, which as I’ve said is shitty and awful for them, and those who can go back and try to salvage something. That’s it, we have no other options.

I think it must be terrible to have a shielding child. I feel really sympathetic to people in that situation. But everyone wants the best for their child. It's a balance.

I'm very much of the opinion that we need to think about long term vulnerability. So, if you have a disabled child or a child who is immunocompromised, they are likely to be particularly vulnerable to COVID. But they are also definitely vulnerable to a society in a deep recession, in which social support services will be cut, health services will be cut. By asking everyone to stop society spinning and continue to stay home now, you are picking the long term vulnerability, which, unless you have mega money yourself, you won't be able to shield your child from. Whereas if you accept that most people can get back to work and school, you are only having to deal with vulnerable now, to Covid, which you can shield your child from.

I mentioned this thread to DD. She said if anybody wants her to cuddle an animal on their behalf she's more than willing. She did add, however, that there are no elephants and if anybody thinks she's cuddling a big cat then think again, although she will blow a kiss to them for you.

Are there anteaters*? Such stylish animals i always think. All cirvey lines and all that flowing 'hair' And the babies are cuteness personified! Blowing kisses is fine too. Thanks.

Blooming cold here. Am trying to think positive and get into the painting clothes and get moving with a brush. Wish me luck. (When the daily death rate shoots up it will be my fault dont dob me in!)

Love the photos keep em coming.
Tbh i think no sacrifice is too great in the current popularity/willy waving competition going on between politicians at the moment. Its criminal and i hope they are held accountable down the line. I am no economist but even i know cutting off the life blood of a country for months on end is madness. The repercussions will be horrendous for individual people as well as businesses and long term. They should all be ashamed.