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Welcome one and all. Bad days, good days...we're here for you all

Wales make a mask out of an old sock video.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-53001732/coronavirus-what-can-you-use-as-a-face-mask

@MaudesMum, we won’t be getting drunk but my support bubble will be 190 miles across and yes, I’ll be driving it.

Jourdain?
Lilac Tree

I hope you are both ok
🙏🌹

It’s like a piss take of what an operative, caring society should look like. A total farce, all for show while everything gets fucked

Yes! Agent, that's it exactly. Exactly!

There isn’t going to be a vaccine. Coronaviruses mutate too quickly. That’s why we keep getting the common cold- it’s a coronavirus.

There’s no good reason to develop a vaccine to the common cold, only 15 to 30% of which are caused by coronaviruses, because they’re not deadly diseases.

The Oxford vaccine primes the body to react against not the whole virus but the surface spike protein, which is much less likely to mutate.

Children, neglected and shunned by society
Elderly neglected and shunned by society.
Shielding neglected and shunned by society.
Mental health neglected and shunned by society.

Just who is being cared for at the moment?

@Dowser

Jourdain? Lilac Tree

I hope you are both ok
🙏🌹

Me too.

I'm also a bit Dementory cranky about the bubbles.

Like... The fucking CHEEK of it.

That after 12 weeks of enforced isolation they want a fucking celebration and good press for ALLOWING people who live alone and have supposedly been almost entirely alone for nearly 3 months to visit 1 other household.

I'm appalled that there were people still sticking to this nonsensical, insulting government overreach.

My siblings and I decided weeks ago that our widowed mother could logically be part of a household with my sister's family. Just a household with the unusual arrangement of having a holiday home around the corner from their actual home.

It was inhuman to demand single person households to stay alone for 3 months.

3 weeks was a big ask, but to have left it this long is a fucking outrage. And yet people are delighted.

Fuck this all to hell.

And as anticipated DH’s myriad suggestions for getting more pupils back in a school was met by a brick wall at governors’ this evening and the head teacher angrily declaring “we have some very anxious teachers here”. It’s all top down, he’s feeding that anxiety. Already told DH last week that his daughter was too scared to go back to school. Tragic.

We have invited an elderly family friend to join our bubble. Her husband died two weeks ago and her family are all miles away and also absolutely petrified for some inexplicable reason. They even questioned whether they should hug their mum at home after the funeral - sense prevailed and they did thank goodness.

We are off to visit my parents on Saturday. I am fairly confident we won’t be spreading death and destruction in our wake but who knows.

Just who is being cared for at the moment?

Teachers, public servants, people on furlough, some self-employed.

It’s like a piss take of what an operative, caring society should look like. A total farce, all for show while everything gets fucked

^ I’ve been saying this from the beginning it’s all a performance.

For all their histrionics they don’t actually care about the people truly at risk - the very elderly & sick little old lady hidden away in a home or the very average middle aged overweight taxi driver bloke from Birmingham - they don’t give a fuck because they aren’t insta worthy & they wouldn’t spare a thought for them under any other circumstances. They try to make it all about the lovely nurse “on the frontline” because they know it looks bad to admit that it’s actually all them & their irrational fear ... young white middle class mummies - SAHM or WFH - at minimal risk & their PFBs at zero risk. Stupid, selfish & self absorbed ... they disgust me.

“we have some very anxious teachers here”

Oh that's a good reason to deny pupils their human rights.

Jesus, some teachers appear to think schools exist to employ teachers.

If you are too anxious to do your job, then get signed off.

Don't try to stop children getting an education.

What kind of teachers are these? How is this in any way acceptable?

Good thing for these "anxious" teachers that every other fucker they needed to facilitate their anxious isolation on full pay was willing to don their fucking jobs.

Jesus, my Dad must be turning in his grave.

The immunity thing is interesting. I read ages ago about some research that found that people who had at least 4 different groups of social contacts each week were healthier, less likely to catch bugs and less likely to be badly ill with them if they did, than people who had fewer than 4.

They were discussing whether this would be some benefit of a variety of psychological inputs, or, their preferred theory, that different groups offered different germs and encountering a large variety was good for the immune system.

I suppose a person who met up with lots of different groups of people would be more likely to be a superspreader, however. Or maybe their own immunity would reduce that.

If furlough was cut to 60% as in Germany, the ninnies might be persuaded to stir their stumps and get back to work.

I feel I can offer an insight into what people’s immunity to other germs might be like when more mixing is allowed.
DS started year 1 last Tuesday. By Friday evening last week he had a cold and runny nose and then after only two days back this week he had a mild temp and tummy ache on Tuesday evening! Both illnesses were very mild and very short lived but this is despite his class ‘bubble’ containing only 7 other kids and hand washing every hour!

I'm appalled that there were people still sticking to this nonsensical, insulting government overreach.

Daughter was sticking to it partly because she believed the crap about PEOPLE WILL SADLY DIE and partly because they've just moved into a new house and didn't want to get on the wrong side of the neighbours. If they had a garage I could hide the car in I would have pushed more but I thought parking on the street would be a bit obvious.

I honestly don't know why anyone would think that something was terrible yesterday but will be OK on Sunday because Boris says so. Daughter and her partner are both very bright but the joined-up thinking hasn't been strong in them.

I heard a great one today via a friend's daughter. Teacher who can't possibly go back to work as she's shielding. I enquired why. She's 'shielding' because she's trying to get pregnant. Not actually pregnant just ttc! Can you imagine that conversation with your boss in the private sector? Btw my friend's daughter is royally pissed off, just wants to get back to school and misses her pupils. There's loads of good'uns out there but their voices are being drowned out by the unreasonable few.

I'm appalled that there were people still sticking to this nonsensical, insulting government overreach

@Nihiloxica same. I keep forgetting that I can’t send friends photos of my parents playing with DS because they’re not actually supposed to right now. Last week we said fuck it and went over to my parents’ house, where my sister is currently living too, and stayed an entire day. And we’ve been there twice this week already. My mental health has been up shit creek and if nothing else it’s helpful to have people there to entertain my toddler for 5 mins so I can go to the toilet alone. And he’s so happy to have his grandparents and auntie again, he was screaming and running away every time we tried to do video calls and I think he was just sick of how unnatural it was.

Oh I don't blame people for sticking to it ThatLibrary.

I'm furious FOR them, not at them.

When all this started dh was under threat of losing his job & a public sector friend tried to make me feel better by saying that it was a good thing ... the economic devastation would force the government to bring in a UBI. But not for people like her though ... Very Important People who do Very Important Things can keep being important, just for the plebs. No thought that people actually want to work and value their careers or that in Dh’s case he earns more than she does & UBI would fuck us. We should all be content with a pat on the head & some pin money while Important People make decisions about how we are permitted to live. I’m just sick of it - performance, self righteousness & paternalism.

Shielding only covers a very limited and clearly specified group.

Weirdly there seem to be schools where more than half the teachers are supposedly shielding.

I was on the phone to a cousin in another country today. We had a good long chat. When I put the phone down it occurred to me that we, both upstanding, law-abiding freeborn citizens of our countries, had spent the best part of an hour matter-of-factly discussing what normal everyday activities our respective governments were allowing us to do.

I think they spoke about that on the daily number thread? Teachers were generally younger (& female!) and better educated than average - all factors which reduce risk. Amazing that they are so vulnerable as a group.

My suggestion that they should let young healthy enthusiastic graduates who’ve been screwed by lockdown take over for a while while the teachers stay safe at home wasn’t enthusiastically received. Can’t think why.

I know @nihiloxica. I think I read somewhere that there's something like 1.5 million on the official list. On Mumsnet you might be forgiven for thinking it's about 75% of the population! I challenge it now. Oh really? What for? Did you get the letter? Ah, right, you've just decided to isolate then, you're not actually officially clinically vulnerable according to the government. Fair enough, if that's what you want to do. Have you decided what you'll do when you need to go back to work? At this point I normally do a head tilt. God, this situation is turning me into such a bitch!

the economic devastation would force the government to bring in a UBI.

She would be my friend no longer.

I missed the chat about political alignment.

I was an old-fashioned Fabian-style lefty.

I believed in unions and public service.

Now that the only people looking to free me from incarceration and educate my children are Tories, I'm having to rethink a lot of things.

I adored Keir Starmer. No longer.

I'm a feminist, so have been made very aware in recent years that a lot of current left wing thinking is massively misogynist.

But Starmer was a great DPP.

And now he has left is 12 weeks with our human rights curtailed by a Tory government and told us we should expect release when it is "safe".

Fuck him.

Also my FB this evening full of people discussing the nuances of the new social bubbles: 'Hurray, I can see my friend. Oh, wait, no I can't as my eldest is over 18 so I don't qualify. Oh well, I guess those are the rules'

Or

In another universe, where you use your common sense, don't take the piss and don't think a klaxon will go off if you go into the house despite living with an 18 year old, maybe just visit your friend anyway? Why do otherwise intelligent people who I've known for years suddenly seem incapable of independent thought and will only do exactly what they've been told they can. Theses will be written about this, never did I think mankind would be so biddable.