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[Waleshasgonecompletelycrazy]

Gather here anti dementors

I agree about Italy. I wasn't opposed to reasonably strict restrictions in March, although I would definitely have kept schools open. I think we did need to buy some extra time for the NHS (& as it turned out care homes) to get PPE in place etc. And we didn't know then that the infection rate was already on the way down when lockdown started. But I honestly never imagined we'd still be sat here in June.

I totally agree with some people up thread about the protests. If protesting against racism is "more important than Covid", than so is educating & supporting kids. We all know that shuttering so much of our society has a massive impact on the vulnerable & disadvantaged, including people in minority communities, but they're acceptable collateral damage "because Covid ".

Thanks for the flocking title😁
Late catching up due to being distracted by the garden yesterday.
Schools are meant to be back here today (approved years only). I can't hear any signs of life yet, but I suppose the breakfast clubs etc aren't operating?

Hotels in Ireland are opening from 1st July, I think

Morning all, I agree about Italy too. I was thinking the other day that a few months ago we knew exactly what the state of affairs was in Italy, Spain, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria as we all went into lockdown, how we were all doing it slightly differently. It was interesting. Now as we've gradually eased we are not hearing anything about what they are doing, I have no idea what the state of lockdown is like in any other countries any more. I might try and look up some of their national news
sites.

Morning all.

Just signed the petition!

The amount of comments like "he is the only one with any sense in all this" or "rather him than Bojo".
To quote a dementor....I despair

One of the biggest flaws in what Bojo has done is to state that he is going to ‘follow science’.

It is a total misunderstanding of what science is. Science is based on evidence of what happens in different scenarios. Unfortunately there is so much that we done know about covid and how it will behave next it is impossible for scientists to know this anymore than anyone else. Yes they can use clever models but these don’t give any sort of definitive answer. As a result different scientists have different ideas and the whole thing becomes an utter mess and we get stuck in limbo as we are at present with lockdown basically over but nothing actually open.

To me as we don’t know what will happen the lowest risk strategy right now is to get on with our lives with some minimal/ common sense social distancing and vulnerable people protected. Otherwise we are just trashing the economy, our quality of life, health in other ways and just waiting longer for this ‘second peak’ the dementors are determined will happen. If it’s going to happen it’s better over the summer.

The Scottish and Welsh governments want Boris to act first so they can see if it works. That is a sensible approach from a self preservation POV but rather self centred as they are planning to throw Boris under the bus for whatever goes wrong.

I really don’t like Boris and think he’s a knob. I also think mistakes have been made but equally I feel sorry for him right now he is absolutely between the devil and the deep blue sea.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52914089

So what I can gather from this is that everything is open but distancing and masks are still "a thing". It doesn't mention schools but presuming that's more to do with their term dates than them actively being shut down.

I can't imagine they will only partially open schools when their borders are open and socialising in need and restaurants and shopping are totally ok?!

Teatea it will be hard for Scotland to remain behind England if our numbers continue to be so low. Hopefully even the SNP supporters will find continued lockdown measures if the deaths and new cases dwindle to nothing.

Boris May be a knob but unlike Sturgeon and Drakeford he has at least realised that mass unemployment would be catastrophic.

I'm irrationally angry this morning. I discovered the wetlands place we're members of has opened back up but with the requirement to book. I was quite excited until I read about the 'few changes'. There's no cafe, no craft room, no play areas, no talks, no shop, it's one way and we aren't allowed to buy seed to feed the birds. Essentially it's been opened so adults can walk around. Yet another place that was family friendly that's now totally shafted the kids. I get that they have to work within 'the roolz' that they haven't made and I'm pleased they'll be getting some business back but Jesus Christ I'm so angry. Honestly, what am I meant to do with DS. I'm shit at home schooling. I've taken him on so many woodland walks, baked so many cakes, he's sick of art&craft. I know we're lucky to live where we do but what's the point in this half life. It's all so pointless.

Currently we're wishing away this week as one of his school friends is coming to play on saturday. They can't come earlier because school friends parents are working. Lucky them. I wish I was working. I'm so jealous of people at the moment and that's really not like me. I resent that they have some kind of life when I've got nothing. None of my family will see us in case we infect them and everyone else is busy with work. I'm so pissed off.

Indeed Rookie as per discussion yesterday. Nicola is horrified

Talking of other countries, apparently the chief medical officer in France has declared the (immediate) crisis is over, and everything needs to be fully opened back up again, including schools. Opened up as normal. People in our government will definitely be watching this, but oh they have tied themselves into a bloody knot haven't they? 😪

Just caught up.

@waleshasgonecrazy I hope to god that article you linked to isn't correct or overally negative iyswim. It will be crazy to keep Wales close and not let us travel, the consequences will be far reaching and terrible.

I'm waiting on information from the dds school on them returning from the 29th June. Hoping and hoping for good news, can't take this much longer.

Boris May be a knob but unlike Sturgeon and Drakeford he has at least realised that mass unemployment would be catastrophic.

True enough and him being a knob isn’t really relevant anyway. As I say to dd ‘you don’t need to like your head teacher’

The stuff about UK schools not being normal till 2121 (I nearly corrected this typo) hasn’t actually come from the government. I am clinging onto that.....

The problem is that the government and media have whipped everyone up into such a frenzy of terror that people are convinced if they go a restaurant or whatever they will die.

It is shameful.

It's that reverse British exceptionalism again isnt it? Things are improving fast in other countries, but they won't in Britain. It's impossible for us to follow the same trajectory. Because you know, we're British and therefore extra crap and extra selfish and extra flocking on beaches.

@NowImLivinInExeter

The problem is that the government and media have whipped everyone up into such a frenzy of terror that people are convinced if they go a restaurant or whatever they will die.

It is shameful.

Agree wholeheartedly.

I don't think most people are terrified at all.

Terrified people don't need to be forced to stay at home by law.

@NowImLivinInExeter

The problem is that the government and media have whipped everyone up into such a frenzy of terror that people are convinced if they go a restaurant or whatever they will die.

It is shameful.

That's what they set out to achieve. I can't remember who originally shared it but I think it was on these threads. A government document about ensuring adherence to social distancing measures that said basically they needed to ensure people felt personally threatened by this virus.

In my eyes that's akin to psychological warfare. I don't think it's ok. It's going to have caused a whole heap of mental health issues. It's actually pretty horrific. And now they admit that there has been more adherence than they expected. Well yes, no shit Sherlock. You've terrified people needlessly! There are other ways to make people stick to the rules ffs. It's disgusting.

@HesterShaw1

It's that reverse British exceptionalism again isnt it? Things are improving fast in other countries, but they won't in Britain. It's impossible for us to follow the same trajectory. Because you know, we're British and therefore extra crap and extra selfish and extra flocking on beaches.

Oh so much this.

Fucking hypocrites.

Just dropped DD (reception) back at school. She ran in without looking back. All pretty normal, no masks or temperature checks. I’m so happy for her that she will get a bit of proper interaction with other children. Also happy that I can go back to bed for six hours!

I have signed the petition by the way - do hope somebody pays attention.

@Nihiloxica

I don't think most people are terrified at all.

Terrified people don't need to be forced to stay at home by law.

Look at the dementors though. How many of us have said these were previously normal rational people. Yes a few of them will have always been controlling manipulative arseholes but some will be driven by fear and anxiety. They've been made to feel that way.

If the message had been different from the start and the message a positive one I don't feel as many people would be dementoring. There would of course still be the odd few who are just that way out anyway.

More kids back as keyworker today at school - the parents who've been dropping off from the start grumbling more and more about the fact they're now having to wait to drop off and not just wander in in a laid back way that they were when there was 10 kids in total. Very much a "deserving keyworker" versus "chancers who've come back in now" little split emerging.

Amusingly though the biggest mouth is a dad who isn't at bloody work - somehow blagged a space because of the wife's job!

Agree @tea
Re other countries - the scenes from Italy were really worrying and it was around that time at the start we were concerned. However in retrospect I think it was just a few towns in northern Italy that were so badly affected - the big cities were not so devastated? Might be wrong there though... in terms of what's happening in other places - I've friends and family in Paris and Amsterdam. Both are virtually back to normal. Amsterdam has had schools back for 4 weeks and bars and restaurants opened about a week ago (could be more I'm losing track of time!). There is some social distancing of course but I believe it's about 1m. Very annoyingly been on another thread were people are still screaming about Sweden and their horrific death rate and the "fact" they've admitted it's all been an awful mistake No listening to reason ...

I don't think most of them are driven by fear, I think they are driven by self-righteousness.

We are supposed to comply because it is the RIGHT thing to do. It is how RIGHT-THINKING people behave.

As such it is impervious to evidence and no risk is too much.

It's like Brexit all over again, except most Remainers are now Dementors.

Funny how their concern for the economy went up in smoke when they had a drama they found exciting to get behind.

(I was a staunch Remainer for pragmatic reasons. Largely the same reasons I want lockdown relaxed.)

This is another culture war battle. That's how you can have people argue that although our government is useless, corrupt (and even proto-fascist ) we must consent to them removing our liberties indefinitely.