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Gather here anti dementors

I went to my first individual Pilates class for months.
It was fantastic. I even got to take off my face mask when I was at my station.
Poor DH has to exercise in his at his gym.
But we are having marches of over 20k people so if we have a spike we will go backwards again I imagine.

DC's anxiety is still through the roof. The lack of school or peer contact is crippling.

That's the one, Dowser. We don't know that bit of the area too well. DH is from the east of the county and I'm an incomer. I've only lived in the NE for 31 years! He tends to follow the maps (usually Ways) and then swear, too.

@sunlightflower
You're right.
Generally, there is so much cognitive dissonance. Partly I think due to the 'following the science' pretence. The 'science' - whatever that actually means (its like saying 'the economics'... What type? Socialism? Neo-con free market? Anything in between? - is never slavishly followed. For a start, scientists don't know much about Covid and so all policy decisions have to use, and extrapolate from, different specialisms. Secondly, even where scientific knowledge is far deeper and more certain, eg re climate change, governments don't 'follow the science', for political reasons. Thirdly, SM means that the totally scientifically-illiterate pick up on one thing and believe that that thing is 100% certain, because it's 'science' (hence the dementors' love of the 'oh so you're an epidemiologist are you?' retort). But much science isn't certain. Conclusions have to be drawn not just from what is happening now with Covid 19, but from other knowledge, such as virology generally, other coronaviruses, research on comorbidities etc ad infinitum.
So it actually makes total sense that none of this makes sense ifsyim! That's why the dementors' lack of nuance is so frustrating... It's very contagious... But no one has it... So we should wear masks... Because only a few people have had it... So we can all still catch it....and round we go.

Sooooo.... looking at what Williamson actually said, instead of what the media wanted us to think he was saying he said that schools "....that have the capacity to bring back more children, to do so before the summer holidays".
So the message hasn't actually really changed, has it? Those who can safely do so, should do so, and the decisions to be made at a local level.
Christ I hate the way this is being reported. It seems calculated to undermine what confidence anyone has in any kind of authority but the media.

It's like playing top trumps where COVID scores 10 in every area. If you don't believe that COVID is the worst thing humanity has ever faced, the worst way to die, going to kill everyone, utterly unpredictable and everyone and thing is covered in it you're basically a murderer. If you think other things count too, murderer, if you think quality of life has value...murderer, if you think basic rights beyond life are important...murderer.

Actually I think everything being neglected as a result of COVID is worse than COVID. I might be wrong, but destroying people's livelihoods, removing the right to formal education, making it illegal to meet others except in very limited circumstances, appropriating out public spaces, damaging and neglecting mental health, damaging children's physical and mental health whilst neglecting every other condition is huge and I don't think the threshold for doing this is anywhere near met.

Just seen that a school in the New Forest has had a case of the virus in one pupil and has closed the whole school and the bubble has to self isolate for 14 days. I didn't realise they would close the whole school just thought it would be the bubble.

@Cattermole

Sooooo.... looking at what Williamson actually said, instead of what the media wanted us to think he was saying he said that schools "....that have the capacity to bring back more children, to do so before the summer holidays". So the message hasn't actually really changed, has it? Those who can safely do so, should do so, and the decisions to be made at a local level. Christ I hate the way this is being reported. It seems calculated to undermine what confidence anyone has in any kind of authority but the media.

Yes, nothing really has changed. I think our school will try and get at least one more year back, probably year 5.

I'm really annoyed, a couple of weeks ago I cut the cable ties to the park next to my house which other than my kids has has 2 other children play in it. I know this because now I'm in all day and as it's practically my garden I can hear any chatter.

They've now gone and cable tied it back up again because it's so dangerous but yet the golf course near us can be operational. Not that I'm complaining about that because it is also where I go to the gym so them staying open benefits me but it is the principal isn't it.

Why can I not take my kids to play on the swings?

@Orangeblossom78

Just seen that a school in the New Forest has had a case of the virus in one pupil and has closed the whole school and the bubble has to self isolate for 14 days. I didn't realise they would close the whole school just thought it would be the bubble.

So what's the point of the bubble then if they are closing the entire school?!

I swear to god every time he turns to leave that podium I expect to see a "Kick me" sign.

Ha ha @LivinLaVidaLoki that made me chuckle, I loathe Matt Wanksock and really do see him as the smug prefect who has no friends but gets his own back by enforcing pointless rules on the kids who won't play with him.

@Orangeblossom78 they've closed it for deep cleaning, I think, so a couple of days. It's due to re-open tomorrow.

@mightbealittlebitmad don't you know that swings are DEADLY!!! If you touch a swing EVERYONE will DIE!!!

Can people help me with soundbites? I read everything on here and it all makes common sense but then I get into a discussion elsewhere and my ability to think on my feet and respond goes out the window. I need a crib sheet - and the more factual the better.
So far I've got:
So the clinically most vulnerable ie the elderly can go to a garden centre or play golf but our children who are not clinically vulnerable but are vulnerable in every other societal measure are being denied their right to an education.

Ok, so you agree that it's not the children per se but the teachers we are putting at risk. Why are they more special than the thousands of other workers who have kept the economy afloat over the past three months. Thank goodness the shopworkers union wasn't as militant as the teaching ones are being.

I definitely need more easily recalled stats on infection rates etc especially when making comparisons to other countries as the dementors do like to go on about how bad our stats are. Thanks!

It really wouldn’t be hard to disinfect the bit of the swing you touch before and after each use, would it?

I hate it when there is an obvious solution but it’s still not allowed.

My spirits have been lifted considerably today.
Went to my local town centre with my DM and 2 DDs for a wander, we had a mooch around our local M&S and Boots who have lifted the one in one out policy.
We then went to a local cafe for takeout coffee & panini.

The high street is starting* to show signs of life with lots of shops having staff in getting ready for next weeks opening.

Dare I say it but it nearly felt like some normality was starting to return!

www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-06-05/netherlands-coronavirus-lockdown-dutch-followed-the-rules

Interesting, wonder if we had done similar how things would be. Mind you they tried asking people here didn't they and people didn't

in Holland they just wash hands after using the playgrounds

I have just heard the deputy head of a school in Grimsby say that the children don't need school, they just need to get out in the open air because they have been shut inside for the last eleven weeks. Does he live in the real world? Whilst I appreciate that this might have been the lot of some children, we have always been allowed out for exercise. I am so angry: only one of my four DGS is back at school so far - and he is loving it.

Drivingthe101, that's what we would have been doing come September. We have friends in California, and things are difficult. As it is we haven't made any plans, although I am desperate to. We should have been going to Portugal on Thursday with our DD and family - the children 's first plane journey - they were so excited.

Be glad you're not in the Philippines - no schools till a vaccine:

www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/no-students-in-school-without-coronavirus-vaccine-philippines-says-1.4974042?fbclid=IwAR2pQ1VquMadl6oAjttOg5kQbuPtGEpEaO1vSBCromPa5zGFTl6jrDouV6c

That is absolute insanity.

Don't let Nicola see that Philippines thing!!!

tbh I think the governments here are crossing their fingers for a vaccine soonish anyway and that's why there's no long-term plan for throwing money at schools.

If the trials of the Oxford vaccine show it works on the timetable they're hoping for it could be licensed for emergency use by September, with thirty million doses ready to go. Would be pretty hard for even the most dementor-y dementors to insist we all have to stay in lockdown once there is actually a vaccine.

Just spoken to my lovely cousin in n london.
She’s one of us.
Her lovely mum is in a rehab unit, has dementia.
If she doesn’t get any decent answers about her condition, she going up there and demand to see her.
I toLd her to go gowned and masked up.

Just popped in to work to pick something up, found a fellow freedom fighter having a rant about the impact on children’s education. We’ve got to battle the Deputy through - she’s chief dementor.

Just been told our school are aiming to get year 2 and 5 back in the next couple of weeks.

Isn't the Philippines where people were being shot for breaking lockdown?

The inconsistency in parks is particularly stark at our city centre park. Walked through it with Ds2, at lunchtime. Pleased to see the basketball court open and some young guys using it. The play area was closed, still, of course. We simply walked through, which meant walking up about 70? 80? Steps in all. Ds2 held the handrail, most of the way up. The handrail made of the same material as the handles on the kids' rides and toys.