Anti dementors flock together

[Waleshasgonecompletelycrazy]

Gather here anti dementors

I wasn’t expecting to be in lockdown for 12 weeks. It’s insane.

I remember my employer saying we'll be working from home for 2 weeks, but open for review.

I was speaking to a colleague and he agrees that we are starting to get lockdown/working from home fatigue big time now.

We originally got told the plan was for 4 weeks (this was the week before lockdown announced) One manager happily stated that we would be back within two. And yet here we still are - with plans maybe for a return at the beginning of July. I may or may not even be included in the first wave of returns.

I have wfh fatigue too, I am busy (ish) but I can't really do my job, and I just feel a bit useless.

If this latest report from who is correct it’s a game changer. They now think that transmission from asymptotic carriers is rare www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?__twitter_impression=true

Oh no the irony of Chris Riddell being a twat...my DD has been re-reading his books as she has got through so many during lockdown that she said she couldn't find anything else left on the shelves or the kindle taht she wanted to read!

I've always worked from home. I much prefer it. The only thing that isnt working about it for me right now is lack of childcare.

[quote Waleshasgonecompletelycrazy]If this latest report from who is correct it’s a game changer. They now think that transmission from asymptotic carriers is rare www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?__twitter_impression=true[/quote]
The only problem is that the dementors won't hear these kind of articles - they'd rather rely on something their Auntie Doris shared from Sharon who used to do Scentsy but now knows all about viruses and shit about how the conga is a one way line into an instant death second peak (still waiting Sharon)

We had them chirpily in the line for school today (complaining about those they don't think have sufficient "reason" to be back at school and making their lives less convenient now they have to wait for normal drop off time like before) going on that they aren't going to be back at school in September. They're fucking willing it on - and these are the people ACCESSING school!

A study from Imperial:

"Lockdowns have saved more than three million lives from coronavirus in Europe, a study has estimated.

The team at Imperial College London, which assessed the impact of restrictions in 11 countries in western Europe up to the beginning of May, said the "death toll would have been huge" without lockdown.

But the team warned that only a small proportion of people had been infected and we were still only "at the beginning of the pandemic".

Meanwhile, a separate study has argued that global lockdowns have "saved more lives, in a shorter period of time, than ever before".

Am I missing something Call me a bit of a cynic, but is this study not based on their original model, which didn't account for non susceptibility and any degree of immunity?

The dementors will say what it says half way down it’s been scripted for them.

This isn’t particularly surprising is it? I mean superspreaders with mild symptoms were hardly going to admit to the temperature they had are they?

I just don't see an end to it right now - my mood's lifted since the weekend but I've spent all day playing Animal Crossing which is all me and the kids seem to do these days. People are too scared and they're in a feedback loop of fear where every negative gets picked up and amplified on social media (which is being manipulated to fuck) and every positive gets shouted down and denied. Whoever was playing public opinion like an orchestra in the beginning just set the wheels in motion and now it's snowballed completely unmanageably.

I can't see them convincing the dementor hive mind ever that it's safe to leave the house and live again. I can't figure out how the hell we're going to get out of this.

Just seen a video message update from my hairdresser - the poor lass looks utterly broken - not the roots or anything, just looks defeated on her face. One of the big local ones has thrown in the towel that they're not reopening too.

@HesterShaw1 I spat my tea out at this little gem in the DM comments
‘Issued by the International Society for Complete BoIIokcs.’

I think FOMO will be our friend that the the large number of people who have been very quiet on this over the last few weeks.

There will come a point when the majority will be more positive. I'm starting to see the signs.

I agree Bakewell. I've also just ducked onto a couple of other threads to see what the level of insanity is currently like and happy to report there's definitely a hint of mood change eg the pubs one. Obvs some dementoring going on but people answering back with facts and figures (and not all names I recognise from here). The tide is turning peeps!

Also the active threads are not now all Corona and tonight when I got in the car for the 6pm news Coronavirus was item number three after BLM and Prince Andrew. I thought that was pretty significant

I would really hate for this to become a parents vs non parents thing.

I don't think it is at all @HesterShaw1, and I'm sorry if it seemed like that's where I was going.

It's just something I've noticed with some of my (former) friends.

One of my oldest and dearest friends never wanted to be a parent. She's no Dementor, (but she has admitted to quite enjoying lockdown now she's used to it). But she likes children and gets them and cares about the crazy shit they like, she just doesn't want to be responsible for any.

I have a lot of friends who never had children and I always presumed that although children didn't feature much in their lives that they still accepted that they were people just like people of any age you don't have much contact with.

But it's clear to me now that they have no time for children, including mine. In retrospect there were clues I chose to ignore. But this is very much a black day of my soul. I know it's individual, or a small group dynamic.

When I was first on MN I came across the people who hate children (other than their own). And I always found it utterly bonkers.

Like if I said "Well, I love my own Mum obviously, because she's mine, but I hate all other people in their 60s."

It's a bananas thing to say.

But mothers say stuff like that all the time on MN about children. And I know also there is the parent of younger/older children divide:

Parents of toddlers who don't want pre-teens in the play park, even though they are still kids and have nowhere else to go.

If you ask them not to use the toddler swings as a goal, IME they are super happy not to. But they are kids (people!) too and we need to make space for them.

So it's not a parent/non-parent thing at all. But I am trying to figure out why so many are so excited about performing help for "the vulnerable" whilst refusing to acknowledge the needs of one of the most vulnerable groups in any society.

I think there is a pattern, but I haven't figured it out yet. It's not whether you have children, or how you voted on Brexit, or anything so simple, but there are some patterns that will make sense of this.

Shielding dementors also out a lot at the moment. I entirely get that it's awful they've been told to shield until the end of July. But they're so angry about everyone else regaining a small amount of freedom and it's not like everyone else hasnt put up with a lot too.

@SpnBaby1967

I think it's been coming for a while when they wouldnt acknowledge that abuse of children is increasing vastly, and I know it is because it's my job to deal with it. But you know, we have to protect this elderly section of society so lockdown YAY! Why, why choose to protect that section of society and not the abused child section? Why not protect both? Why is it either or and why act like it's not really happening when I'm telling you its is!! I'm working overtime to deal with it.

That was when I started to realise I didnt fit with this group anymore. Still soooooo gutted though.

I agree with most of this all the way BUT, whilst we need to protect younger vulnerable people, most of the older people I know are 'Don't protect me, I've had my life'. It has upset me to see so many saying that we have to lock down because they can't bear to lose parents - when these are parents in care homes with dementia.

If anyone can tell me one person who says, 'however old I get I want to carry on living whatever my quality of life and mental state' I would be very surprised. Everyone (or at least most people) say they would rather be dead than go in a care home but then so many seem to want their elderly parent to go on existing just so they don't lose their parents.

I am 65, healthy and with family around. I would die tomorrow rather than end my life with dementia and/or in a care home - even if that wouldn't be for another 15/20 years.

I know there are some (selfish) older people who do think everyone should stop their lives to protect them but I do think they are in the minority and please DO NOT think it is all of us.

Also, please don't blame the older ones that refused to stay home and 'be protected'. We have lived through things more threatening to us as individuals. Some of them haven't got a lot of time left, spending it locked down alone is not an option they are prepared to accept.

(And although 'I' am not particularly vulnerable. I don't understand why so many of you have let this government take that autonomy away from you. 3 weeks to flatten the curve was what was accepted)

@TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair

Sorry. Having a Very Bad Day

Nihiloxica, you have been wonderful on these threads. You're such a voice of reason. I'm sorry you're struggling. You are quite entitled to have a bad day. This is horrendous and mind-numbing and we have no idea when it's going to ease. I do know it's going to end and life will move on and we will look back at this and shudder, but it will be behind us. We just have to hang on in there until then and stick together. We will so appreciate our freedom when we get it back won't we?

This made me cry a bit.

Thank you.

And thank you @Teateaandmoretea for encouraging me to start cycling. I really might. I believe it's great.

And then DH can go on online forums and say "My wife has a hobby that means she is out of the house for hours..."

Thank you all on this thread. You are keeping me (barely) sane. You are all amazing and I love you.❤

Never mind cycling. This is where the cool women hang out.

The tide is turning peeps!
I've noticed that a bit and I certainly hope so. Just hope that the protests dont cause a rise in cases. I do think that if, in 2 to 3 weeks, cases keep dropping then there is no reason why we can't relax lockdown near enough completely.

One day we will get through this. In just over 6 months I'll be sat watching big fat quiz of the year and just be able to laugh at all this. All the time getting excited about going to Butlins for new year (unless of course its on when we go to Butlins so will watch it the night we get home)

Oh my god I can't believe it. My most rule-following, report-the-neighbours dementor friend just said:

If they open pubs before they let me go round my mum's house then I'm officially done with the rules

The tide is turning people!

Much love to all of you having shit days, for whatever reason. Although the biggest reason is this whole steaming pile of shite, beginning with 'L'.

Theoretically I should be good with it all. Single SAHM on a fixed income, decent sized house and garden. No health issues. Ex teacher for god's sake

I hate everything about it. I hate trying to teach dc1, who is amazing and clever and so resilient. They have just got one with it everything, but need to be able to chat with other kids about roblox and minecraft and everything that they love, but i know nothing about. I hate that dc2 is in a really clingy phase and I hate how much its wearing me down. I hate how their world has shrunk. I hate how dc2 isn't able to socialise with other toddlers because I know it would really help. I hate how irritated I get by my lovely dcs :( I hate the lack of anything to do, fun and spontaneity. I hate how I feel like a failure for being able 'get on with it'. I hate that I feel weak for not being able to manage without adult company - skype does not cut it. I hate that the bloody government haven't got a fucking clue and that eldest dc has got more nouse when it comes to thinking about what might be useful to open first (clue, schools and zoos, not clothes shops). I hate that there are fewer holes in swiss cheese than in any plan drawn up by that load of imbeciles.

I hate it - all. And I find it more and more difficult to sympathize or empathize with those who call for continued lockdown.

Sorry that's so long

I’m a terrible cyclist but will make the tea at the end!
@nihioxica I’m sorry it’s been a shit day. 2020 has been a shit shower. I just want to wake up and discover that sanity has prevailed. I hope tomorrow is better for you. You’ve helped me through some dark days.
@khione - I’ve been shocked at how people have just decided what’s best for anyone over about 60. My parents are in their 70s and have full capacity. I let them make the call about how often they see us and where as they can risk assess for themselves. We see them outside at least once a week and have a cuppa and use the loo. Once dd is back at school they may want to reduce contact but that’s up to them. I find the threads where people won’t meet up with/take out their relatives despite them being sad and lonely quite upsetting. Isolation makes people more at risk. It’s just exchanging one risk for another.

@khione I agree, because I dont actually think it is the elderly people saying this. I think it is the healthy 20 somethings 30 somethings and 40 somethings who say it. Why is it one or the other ? Both groups are vulnerable for different reasons.

I just dont get this call to protect the elderly & vulnerable, but it seems its ONLY those vulnerable to the VIRUS not anything else.

Cycling is awesome tbh! If this shit situation brings about a once in a generation move towards cycling and cycling infrastructure, that will certainly not make it worth it, but it will be some good.

I honestly have despised all the infantilisation of older people that has gone on with this, the taking away of their autonomy, the patronising scolding and lecturing of them (do people not remember how well that worked on them as children and teens?), the apparent belief that older people don't own their own lives and don't get to decide what risks they take.

I work with elderly people, one more than one occasion I have had people tell me that they are basically done with living.

Death is sad only for the living - most people have one of two beliefs - when you're dead, you're dead so to you it doesn't matter, or death means going to a better place - heaven or whatever so better.