Patronii in person, anti Dementors visit the zoo

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Never started a long running thread before but I figure even lurkers should take a turn. Hope the title ok.

Although with the mad counting that is going on I'm wondering if he is included in the death count. He had a cough at some point this year.

@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter thanks and yes it's shit.

I know of two people who have died during lockdown, both through accidents, not a corona in sight. Both deaths have fallen under the radar when previously would have made the local news.

Tragic that the loss of two young people has largely gone unreported.

I agree. I don't think covid deaths are any sadder than any other death. Everyone is someone's parent, or child or relative or friend. I was saying to dp if a family member died I wouldn't be more devastated because it was covid. I would be devastated whatever the cause. He said he wondered why we weren't announcing deaths from all causes every day. It's as if nobody else is important. They are important.

I can't pretend that we aren't sacrificing others by "saving" people from dying from covid. The thing is a lot of the people (not all I know) who have died from covid might have otherwise died from another virus or flu, or whatever else. Because that's all it took. But some people who've had heart attacks and didn't dare go to a&e, or cancer patients who should have been having treatment or peoples who's ops have been postponed.... Well they would likely have lived. And many of them for a long time.

They're no less important to me

@BakewellTarts

My brother in law died in early April. Not of covid though so his death is irrelevant. Mind you he was only 52 and leaves behind my young nephew so thats not how I see it. Oh and my sister is finding grief and being a single mum in lockdown incredibly hard. Good job I am taking my own view of the rules and supporting her as much as I can.

I'm sorry Bakewell. I'm glad your sister has you.

Yes my dad died of Alzheimer's two years ago. It was appalling, and sadly not uncommon. A Covid death is not worse than that. People die and it's awfully sad, but death is part of life. The fact is that the median age for dying of Covid is 82. That's 8 years older than my dad was when he died.

We're all dying, and there are deaths worse than Covid, especially at 80+. There are deaths that take years.

I've seen worse, and I'd choose Covid any day.

Both my parents are dead, and my DH (early 40s when he died), and my fil. My bill died 5 weeks ago (not covid). Do they all get memoriums written? Of course not.

@HauntedGoatFart

We're all dying, and there are deaths worse than Covid, especially at 80+. There are deaths that take years.

I've seen worse, and I'd choose Covid any day.

My mum was an ICU nurse (so has been there for many at the end) and she says the same. She is 81 and has given us detailed instructions on what she would wish for her end of life care which emphaticaly includes a DNR and no ventilators.

Agreed GeneGenie (by the way, already looking forward to tomorrow's episodes).

Dowser I hear what your DH is saying but I have a teeny place in Dorset and haven't been able to go since late Feb. And I really really REALLY am going this summer. I need to check the place is OK or my insurance is shot, my neighbour is lonely and phoning us in tears, and the lockdown is bollocks. So screw them.

My DD is About to turn 17 and desperate to have a party. I'm determined she's having one, within reason. Half a dozen (maybe one or two more) mates with music and booze in the garden - we're doing it. Even our shielding neighbour is all for it now and he's so pissed off with lockdown he's offered to lend us his gazebo and gas barbie

@HauntedGoatFart thanks and we are doing our best. It's just made much harder by the current situation.

My dad isn’t dead but he might as well be. He’s trapped in a body that does not work and now his mind is going too. It’s a slow, frustrating, soul crushing demise he’s experiencing. It could be years more yet but he hasn’t had any quality of life since a stroke in 2004.

But absolutely not one eyelid has been batted his way. Because he’s still technically alive. This is why it really bugs me when people overplay their coronavirus experience as “the worst thing that’s ever happened to them” - to have a bug for a couple of weeks.

It really is not the worst thing that could happen to you.

My brother died in a car accident in his 20’s. I think maybe that’s what I’m less concerned about Covid than some others... people die all the time, in all sorts of ways.

For interest, this is the deaths by actual day of death, England, all settings. NHS (hospitals) release this every day, but PHE (other settings) only do it weekly.

The R rate is useful at the beginning of an outbreak, but much less so as we get to this stage with smaller numbers. It can swing wildly when case numbers are small - Germany track it daily, and it can go from 0.6 to over 1 in a couple of days. It's also based on what happened 2-3 weeks ago, and the community R is still likely to be smaller than care home/hospital R (SAGE said as much in their meeting on May 5, and it's still likely to be true).

Thanks Patricia, is this on phe website?

Just seen an update from ds's school saying as the r rating is 1.1 in the NW they are unable to open to yr 6 on Monday 😡 I know they are more than likely just being told what to do and it's no effect on my as ds is not yr6, but seriously!! I need to find some way to find a more local rating!

Got the initial message from DC primary head about going back (we're in wales). Basically as all years are going back, each child will get 4 days (mon to thurs) at school over the week period. That's all.

Bubbles of about 8.

Friday used to deep clean school and sort out teaching for next week.

Hopefully in sept if science allows the bubbles will expand.

So potentially DS would be in school in sept for one week a month. NOT GOOD ENOUGH in my book.

On a positive note I've discovered 2 mums who are anti dementors whose DDs are DDs friends and one of DSs too. Today first friend spent the afternoon playing in DDs bedroom with plans others to spend afternoons next week! DD was very happy.

4days over the 4 week period I meant to put

I mean, it’s no wonder people are so full of fear and paranoia, imagine if every day they listed how many people died in car accidents on the news and graphed it. People would be scared to drive anywhere. It’s total and utter fear mongering

All flights. Dorset
Beautiful county
Friend there is shielding.
Normally quite gung-ho
I don’t think we’ll be welcome there either.

WRT r rate, I recall Germany have a couple of days of upswing after releasing lockdown and then it came back down.

Watched this today. Is very interesting.

They now reckon up to 80% of the population are not even susceptible to the virus.

I’m so sick of ‘friends’ commiserating with me, or being shocked, that the death rate in the ne is so high.
I’ve just looked at the local obituaries.
No idea what they died from but three people over 80 and one 95
That’s 25 years more than my dad got.
It just feels like a Brian Rix farce.

Call me cynical but don`t they do an extra gloomy update on Fridays. A picture popped up earlier on my FB page of a big umbrella the message said visiting friends, stay outdoors, under the umbrella I presume. Now I have not joined any nhs group that does not stop FB putting up all the woo woo posters.

Camper van
They now reckon up to 80% of the population are not even susceptible to the virus.

I don’t think we are.
Went into town today..no masks,
Shops accepted cash
It’s one huge farce

Call me cynical but don`t they do an extra gloomy update on Fridays

Definitely. I reckon this is a ploy to manipulate people into not going out over the weekend. Crank up the fear and hope it holds over the weekend.