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Madeleine McCann - new suspect

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KatherineJaneway · 03/06/2020 19:24

A 43-year-old German prisoner who travelled around Portugal in a camper van is now the focus of Scotland Yard's investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52914016]

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Cadent · 05/06/2020 17:19

@AlternativePerspective @ZoeCM

Someone upthread posted that only 3 British children have been abducted/killed abroad. Not sure if that's true.

Smallsteps88 · 05/06/2020 17:19

I’m maybe just naive but I can’t see why german police would cooperate in the scapegoating of one of their citizens.

ivykaty44 · 05/06/2020 17:21

A hotel is usually a single building so you may only be yards from your room in the bar or restaurant. If there is a fire or any disturbance you can be back in moments and it’s easy to check. Not the case in Luz. I have been to the resort in question and it’s more like a town than a hotel. Not all the properties even belong to the OC - it’s more akin to leaving your kids asleep at home while you go round the corner and over the road to a pub.

I would disagree, have been in the resort as their is a supermarket there. Used to park up in the road alongside the apartment.

In a hotel if there is a fire, all the occupants will be going in one direction and that is very difficult to go against to try to access a room on the 1st or 2nd floor, with many people leaving. In an open space with 55 meters between table and apartment- you will not have a tide of people funnelled to the outside and would have far greater access to your rooms, it was 60 yards away from where they were having dinner

Dickorydockwhatthe · 05/06/2020 17:24

I really hope they find out if it was him and that they finally have closure on this and finally put those rumours to rest. Those poor parents have been through hell and will have to live with their mistakes for the rest of their lives. To be accused of murdering their own daughter is just awful. Yes leaving those children was incredibly nieve and selfish and yes even neglectful but let us not deter from the fact that the person who took Madeleine is to blame.

Cadent · 05/06/2020 17:26

Bovey Castle has a Baby Listening Service and has a main hotel plus 22 lodges spread around

www.britainsfinest.co.uk/hotels/bovey-castle

NameChange84 · 05/06/2020 17:31

I disagree about hotels too. In the ones I stayed in as a child that offered listening services there were at least 20 floors with 50 plus rooms on each floor. Pretty damn dangerous if there was a fire not to mention how easy in is to get into keycarded rooms as well as considerably further from bars and restaurants.

NameChange84 · 05/06/2020 17:34

@Cadent the last time I went to Centre Parcs 7 years ago they also offered a Baby Listening service. I thought it was downright insane given the layout of the lodges and how far most of them were from the main hub, in the middle of a forest with bodies of water around.

BlackberryCane · 05/06/2020 17:37

Papatron, I'm interested in the basis for your view that the parents leaving their children in that situation doesn't ring true. Do you have any expertise in human risk perception?

bonsaidragon · 05/06/2020 17:38

@Aclh13

My family in Leicestershire know the family fairly well and some of the comments on here are disgusting leave them alone. Up until that point it was pretty normal parenting practice to have more trust for the outside world, do you not see that that event was the pivoting point for stricter parenting? *@Chillipeanuts* your comments are awful calm down you troll.
I wonder what changed between the 1970s/1990s and then - it wasn't the norm when I had my children in the 1990s nor when I was growing up in the 1970s.
Paperchainpopp · 05/06/2020 17:42

@knittingaddict well clearly some don’t. From what I’ve read on here I haven’t read the whole thread. They were in TOP professional jobs... people saying they were in a group and others aren’t be talked about negatively. That’s most likely because their child is not missing up until today. Who is to say it was just the once they left her or was a a regular thing? And somebody may have noticed. Had they have been normal people they may have been charged themselves. Money talks when your in a certain circle Hmm

Smallsteps88 · 05/06/2020 17:48

Had they have been normal people they may have been charged themselves.

They are normal people! Confused

caperberries · 05/06/2020 17:49

My eldest is the same age as Madeleine, it really wasn't normal parenting at that time, which is a large part of the reason the story generated such interest and controversy.

It's coming back to me now. The parents always maintained that they'd done nothing wrong. Then they refused to answer those police questions. Speaking to the press, Gerry in particular tied himself in knots to insist that their behaviour was normal and responsible, likening it to dining in the back garden etc.

This created a sort of cognitive dissonance because most parents of similar-aged children knew that it was absolutely odd and not normal to leave such small children unattended like that.

And Gerry McCann's determination to be right proved very alienating. He seemed overly concerned about protecting his reputation and career at all costs.

If he'd just said, we were foolish, we made a terrible mistake, people would probably have been much less sceptical.

I really feel for Kate McCann though, she always looks so broken. It's heartbreaking to think what she must have been through over the years. And heartbreaking for the twins to grow up in the shadow of such a tragedy.

Cadent · 05/06/2020 17:52

@NameChange84

the last time I went to Centre Parcs 7 years ago they also offered a Baby Listening service. I thought it was downright insane given the layout of the lodges and how far most of them were from the main hub, in the middle of a forest with bodies of water around

How does baby listening work? Do they check on the babies or have monitors in each lodge?

Paperchainpopp · 05/06/2020 17:54

@Smallsteps88 sorry poor choice of words. Yes they are. I meant wealthy or people from a middle class background. There’s is no excuse at for leaving your child alone. A lot of foreign hotels don’t have cameras covering corridors and the 1 or 2 security guards for a whole hotel. I say this as a frequent traveller since my DC was 18months old as a lone parent.

Dickorydockwhatthe · 05/06/2020 17:59

Guilty of neglect yes but so we're the other parents who were in that group. They made a massive mistake. I've been guilty of leaving my kids unattended whether it be in the car whilst I go to pay for petrol or sleeping in the tent whilst I go for a wee. Am I bad parent? No but who's to say there wasn't someone lurking to seize an opportunity?

Cadent · 05/06/2020 18:00

The parents always maintained that they'd done nothing wrong. Then they refused to answer those police questions.

@caperberries but they were treated as formal suspects (arguidos) in their daughter’s disappearance. This means the police could have asked the judge to keep them in Portugal. If I was innocent, that would make me wary of what I tell police (that didn’t help in search for Madeleine) in case I had to stay in Portugal indefinitely.

I think we could be blaming the McManns for advice they received from their lawyers on how to answer.

gypsywater · 05/06/2020 18:00

People banging on about their jobs being "top jobs" Hmm They're a GP and hospital doctor. Pretty run of the mill.

knittingaddict · 05/06/2020 18:04

Paperchainpopp, there are over 860 posts on this thread. Probably about half have made the exact same points as you. The other half are responding to those posts. It's exhausting.

Catching the vile human being who did this would make the world a better place. Still abusing the family for a terrible decision does nothing, apart from making a handful of parents feel better about their great parenting.

BlackberryCane · 05/06/2020 18:06

@Cadent

The parents always maintained that they'd done nothing wrong. Then they refused to answer those police questions.

@caperberries but they were treated as formal suspects (arguidos) in their daughter’s disappearance. This means the police could have asked the judge to keep them in Portugal. If I was innocent, that would make me wary of what I tell police (that didn’t help in search for Madeleine) in case I had to stay in Portugal indefinitely.

I think we could be blaming the McManns for advice they received from their lawyers on how to answer.

I wouldn't assume it's even a scenario where someone needs to be blamed. It isn't uncommon for legal representatives to advise their clients against answering questions. Could've been perfectly appropriate advice.
knittingaddict · 05/06/2020 18:07

The middle classes are boringly normal. I should know, I am one. To say that people beyond the working classes aren't normal is bizarre.

Cadent · 05/06/2020 18:07

Why don’t the people saying ‘I would never leave my kids like that’ , do something constructive and call Centre Parcs about their baby listening service?

SouthWestmom · 05/06/2020 18:08

The Guardian May 2007

Earlier yesterday the McCanns talked openly of the guilt they carried with them, and would always carry, after leaving their three children alone in their holiday flat on the fateful night. "I think it's fair to say the guilt we feel having not been there at that moment will never leave us," her father, Gerry McCann, said.

This is what I said earlier. People repeat crap like 'if only they had said sorry' or they went for a piss up' etc like it's true.

Also - why should they say sorry to you? How are you affected?

Cadent · 05/06/2020 18:09

@BlackberryCane I’m not blaming the parents to be clear, that was my point, that they could have been acting on legal advice

BlackberryCane · 05/06/2020 18:09

[quote Cadent]@BlackberryCane I’m not blaming the parents to be clear, that was my point, that they could have been acting on legal advice[/quote]
Sure, of course.

knittingaddict · 05/06/2020 18:10

I know Noeuf. It seems clear that some on here have no empathy at all.