We're all going on a summer holiday

[MinnieMountain]

Even if it means 2 weeks of quarantine
The anti -dementors are here to be reasonable and sensible about everything.

@allyjay

Thank goodness for these threads they keep me sane in a world of madness.

Just made the mintake of venturing onto the main coronovirus board. I find it so strange just how many Mumsnetters know of someone under 40 and previously healthy who has died from it, when the stats tell us this is so very rare

I'll go back to reading this little oasis of common sense now. Thanks again to everyone.

Strange isn’t it, when statistically it’s so very unlikely. I suspect by ‘know’ they mean their hairdresser’s sister-in-law’s grandma’s heroin dealers wife.

Ugh I feel quite down this morning.

Nursery isn't opening until god knows when because of the fucking council. I've told work and they've said they'll review my furlough on a week by week basis based on the government guidelines and the business needs. They only need to give me 3 days notice to ask me to come back in.

Well that's all well and good but I can't magic childcare out my arse! Perhaps they should take it up with the council who have essentially overruled the government

This is just utter utter shit.

90 year old Gwen was admitted to hospital 3 weeks ago, following a stroke.
She tested positive for COVID19 this weekend. Did she catch it from:
a) an asymptomatic staff member working on both the Covid-19 ward and the stroke ward
b) the person in the bed next to her with a high temperature and a persistent cough, who hadn't been tested
c) Dave from Wolverhampton buying chips on VE Day

C) Dave is in fact her toy boy and he snuck in via an open window.

Thank the lord for normal people. I’m fed up of being call stupid on here. I wish the schools to back and the whole response has been over the top and even government workers couldn’t be bothered to live by.

@TheGreatWave

C) Dave is in fact her toy boy and he snuck in via an open window.

😂

I totally agree Bark. But of course you can't say this on such a sensitive subject because you'd look like a complete twat. Gah!

I knew it was Dave all along Greatwave

Bloody Dave. Over sexed, over rona'd, and over here!

It also makes a mockery of the “no underlying conditions” thing. I’m not privy to the medical history of everyone I’ve ever know. I’m sure there are people I would consider I know well who have something which would be considered an underlying condition I know absolutely nothing about.

Strange isn’t it, when statistically it’s so very unlikely. I suspect by ‘know’ they mean their hairdresser’s sister-in-law’s grandma’s heroin dealers wife

I suspect this is less about knowing someone and more about trying to prove the narrative that the government is clearly under reporting these figures to make us all want to go back out into the thunder dome and make death wherever we go and not caring that PEOPLE ARE DYING! Because economy and stuff.

I'm happy we are getting track and trace up and running.

I work in software development. I don't agree with the model the NHS has opted for. However I will download the app.

They will be collecting a lot of location data and want to use it to study, however it will be anonymous. They talked about taking the first four letters of your postcode only and I believe that was optional.

When they talk about sanctions I'm pretty sure that will not be for those told to self isolate by the app. Quite simply unless you contact a human track and tracer, they wouldn't know who you are. I think it will be for anyone who has tested positive but who is not self isolating, like back at the start of all this when cruise passengers were brought back and got check up calls from PHE.

The app is an additional layer, but won't be adopted by all. People will have privacy concerns, won't have smart phones, have an older model that can't support it or might have a job which prevents them having it with them all the time etc.

The track and trace team are the ones who would ask for your contacts and notify them. Being behind someone in a supermarket queue is unlikely to spread it. The Conservatives won't want to continue to need to pay for people off work self isolating for no reason, it will hamper getting the economy going again. They are using an algorithm to work out risk, so that scenario would be low but chatting to your friend face to face for an hour would be high. That person would need to self isolate and I'm sure would anyway.

The app I think will act as a heads up. Say pubs open again and unknowingly someone who later tests positive has been there. If everyone they spoke to (who the person wouldn't have known details of so couldn't have been reached by the track and trace team) was notified by the app they have the chance to self isolate. By the time that happens, numbers will be so low that testing capacity could be used for testing in this scenario.

There will be no mandatory download of the app and you will not be forced to use it.

But I totally understand people's concerns. A track and trace app sounds concerning at the best of times, so after the way this has all been handled when trust is at an all time low, I'd imagine uptake won't be great.

South Korea had the app ready I believe from SARS, so will be familiar with it and already know what it is / how it will be used and it's benefits. They will have also had a chance to iron out issues. That will have helped in getting it widely used.

If you don't want to use the app, don't worry. You won't need a burner phone or to turn yours off. Just don't download the app when (if) it launches. They won't use credit card data or phone mast pings to track you if you don't have the app, that kind of investigating is used to find missing persons for example and is time consuming and expensive.

I suspect this is less about knowing someone and more about trying to prove the narrative that the government is clearly under reporting these figures to make us all want to go back out into the thunder dome and make death wherever we go and not caring that PEOPLE ARE DYING!

I reckon in pre covid times these were the same people who constantly decried the “nanny state”. Now the want the most nannyish of nanny states possible. The want the state to clutch them to its bosom, spoon feed them and keep them safely locked in the nursery forever.

I don't know a single person who has had it. Only one person who claimed they probably had it but they had a streaming nose and sore throat with a slight temperature and a bit of a tickly cough so in any other year it would have been a common cold. I have heard of people catching it, but not one single person I ever talk to or send work emails to. Even a couple of hypochondriac friends have been fine. I do know 3 people who have died in the last 2 months, all elderly and very frail - 2 heart attacks and sepsis. By dementor standards of evidence that must prove it doesn't exist.

I do know a few people who have been confirmed to have it (my mum being one of them) but considering that I have lived and worked in 4 European countries and 7 counties in England, I only know a total of 4 people confirmed positive. And 3 of them were from the same one of my previous workplaces, an office housing around 20,000 people in London.

Maybe as well as terrifying Weston, Wales' great fear is also really the Brummies I can prove it with anecdata that my dad did actually die in the street in Dudley of all places. It is a fact that is taken with good humour in my family.

Bearing in mind that I live in an early hotspot of the epidemic and have friends and family living around another, I only know of one person reporting a family bereavement and they said underlying health conditions were involved. Over the same timescale, I know of two other similar level of connections who've faced bereavement through cancer. I'm not really connected with communities who've suffered more which will improve the odds for many of my connections, but it's still hardly the hotbed of death in every doorway, bench, stile, empty field and tin in the supermarket type narrative that's been wailed about for months.

Oh and I ‘know’ one person who has died, with a couple of degrees of separation... a friend’s uncle. He had severe learning difficulties and a heart condition and sadly contracted it in his residential care facility.

I don't know a single person who's even had it let alone died from it. Not one!

I know quite a few people wondering if their late Feb/ early March illnesses were C19, but no-one hospitalised, and no one testing positive in the last month since testing opened up to greater numbers.

It was a nasty buggy winter anyway, but the summer ended when schools btoke ip and it was either too wet or too blisteringly hot to go out and it fizzled into soggy winter mode in September. I think my vitamin D wore off earlier than usual, my anecdata being that my nails went into brittle winter mode quite early.

We had a horrible bug in late Feb and if we had those symptoms now, we’d have to self-isolate. Nasty cough, DH got short of breath, aches, chills, bit of a fever. Was it Covid? Who on earth knows? There was definitely something nasty going around, but it could equally have been a different nasty bug.

I don’t know anyone who has had it either.

Lots of people who think they had it back in January. We had about 5 customers in the office in February who all said they’d ended up with pneumonia. I’d like to think they did, but there’s no spike in deaths so I’m not sure.

I do know of 2 deaths where Covid has been included on their death certificate when they’d had no symptoms or positive test and had probably died of other reasons

genie me neither. I asked my neighbours too and they said the same.

I know someone who's died of it but only in the 6 degrees of separation way. The dad of a friend of a friend. Unfortunately I know someone (actually know someone) who committed suicide in April.

Another person here who knows only one person who had it. My aunt, who was 93, had many other health conditions, was bent double and was in a care home telling us she prayed every night that she wouldn't wake up . So, yeah, she died with COVID (for all the above reasons I hesitate to say she died OF it) but she is the only person I know (or know of) who has had it, or even suspected they might have it.

It's very anecdata but the OH also had every Covid symptom (down to loss of taste and pink eye) at the start of February. I was absolutely fine. Not even a sniffle.

We are in the SW which has had very low infection rates so I would be very interested in an antibody test. (the SW very low rates definitely needs looking at - you ain't going to tell me the residents of Plymouth are somehow obeying the the roolz more than anywhere else...)