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[MinnieMountain]

Even if it means 2 weeks of quarantine
The anti -dementors are here to be reasonable and sensible about everything.

You won't have control over it.

You get symptoms
You take a test and your details are taken
You test positive.
At the same time you are notified your details are passed to the tracers.
You then receive a call to take down the contact details of people you were in contact with.

It's very very similar to the South Korean model.

I don't get why you need to isolate for 14 days surely it's better to say person a tests positive so they contact person b who's spent time with them. Person b isolates and books a test. Person b tests negative so can go on with their life and not spend a further two weeks locked up?!

If I've only spent time with friends/family, that friend could easily remember everyone they've been near and contact them. What's the point of a contact tracer?
A friend put a message out on Facebook prior to lockdown that the majority of their friends would have seen, so it seems quite quick and easy for an individual to do themselves.

Is there a possibility that our credit card data could be used. I've got no desire to spend 15 minutes pottering in next if there's a potential it could then mean 14 days stuck in.

I don't get why you need to isolate for 14 days surely it's better to say person a tests positive so they contact person b who's spent time with them. Person b isolates and books a test. Person b tests negative so can go on with their life and not spend a further two weeks locked up?!

Agree with this 100%

Because people wouldn't do it, or put in the effort or would dementor up and abuse the system if they did it themselves.

You maybe asked about places you visited. But untill a few people visiting a place tested positive I doubt they would do anything about it.

Again. It's basically the model SK used very effectively and didn't really cause massive over reactions in terms of closing places. In fact it was very useful in identifying super spreader events which really seemed to cause the issues.

Let's try not to get in a flap here.

ilovecardigans we've had our 4th elderly parent health emergency since lockdown started (all non covid related),. A family friend in a care home died suddenly (heart attack). - his wife of over 60 years hadn't been able to visit since mid March and we won't be able to go to his funeral. He was heavily involved in youth groups when we where young and in normal times there would have been a lot of people here. My son and his GF have booked their flights to emigrate. The world just feels so small right now.

Because person b may have it but still not test positive if tested too early.

By the time you would test positive you would be well within the infectious period.

Im not flapping really as if I am being realistic I don't spend my weekends around that many people anyway! I would prefer however if you could get a test to rule it out rather than isolating for 14 days every single time.

If the numbers are low in the community like they say they are this shouldn't actually be a regular occurrence though should it?

My only concern is that there is suitable support for those in the forced isolation.

It should be a very rare occurance.

There's a difference between flapping and trying to understand something we've been given very sketchy information about.
I asked on here because of the usual respectful tone that it has continued to maintain across the several threads.

I will be taking part in using the app. I agree, isolating for 14 days is ridiculous when you could take a test after 7 and get back on with life but at the end of the day this virus still kills vulnerable people and anyone can potentially be a link in the chain which means someone getting it if cases do start increasing again. I do actually think the virus is fizzling out itself so that's unlikely and it's been so fascinating to see the Norwegian analysis about lockdown not having been necessary (I was NOT expecting that!) but I'd still like to do this. I do have several very vulnerable (younger) friends though who I'd like to protect at all costs and they are relying on people's goodwill and co-operation. But I would change my mind if the government botch the app and if there are any issues with data protection or people being draconian with fines or anything.

I am having a rubbish time. I genuinely can't cope with this much longer. My mental health is deteriorating week by week and there still feels like there is no end in sight. I don't know what to do really - I don't think my gp can do much when I already have a psychologist on board. I think it's just a case of day at a time. I do wish people would shut up about people wanting lockdown to end because they're bored. I'm not bored, I have plenty to do. That's not my issue by a long shot.

Realistically most people you were in contact with for 15+ mins, you'd know who you were with.

I suppose thebenefit of them having an official system is identifying linked clusters if there's been a super-spreader and they notice a pattern developing. Say if you used the bus for 35 mins from town A to town B, there would be more ability to trace people who aren't aquainted.

I reckon I’ll be clock watching whenever I talk to anyone to make sure it’s not over 15 mins

Ahhh, @countrygirl99 no wonder you're feeling sad. You poor lass.

That's a lot to deal with even under 'normal' circumstances, so this shit situation is only magnifying your feelings of sadness and stress.

It's okay to feel sad, mad or anything at all, really. All I can tell you is that I know this will eventually pass. It's just a case of when.

Could someone kindly link again to the Norwegian study re lockdown? I tried the link from a few pages back but it wouldn’t work for me. TIA

More common sense and optimism:

twitter.com/BallouxFrancois

@barkandcheese
www.spectator.co.uk/article/norway-health-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-covid

@DrearyWallAntler You seem to know a lot about the test and trace procedure and I had a genuine question. What happens if someone, mistakenly or maliciously, gives names of people that they haven't been in contact with?

I'm a bit concerned that, with all the hysteria around, folk will decide that someone they think has been breaking lockdown "deserves" to be put on house arrest for 14 days, or just names somebody they don't like. There doesn't seem to be any comeback for this?

How have I not found you before!

I'm home!

Im losing my mind over all this cos being in wales we're still under house arrest. I am 3 miles from the border. DS could go back to school if we lived 4 miles to the right. He is in mental health agony and wants to die most days. I haven't much left inside if I'm honest.

Beach towel on the lounger by the pool.

Hello fellow sane cultists. Busy in real life so not contributing much.

Wonder what tomorrows announcement will bring...hopefully something more spectacular if they really want people to move on from talking about dodgy SPADs.

I’m so sorry your son is struggling, MrsArchchancellorRidcully (love the username by the way!). This thread is the right place to find support. I am fed up to the back teeth with people on other threads belittling and dismissing children’s mental health concerns.

@TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair I hope you feel better soon and this gets a bit easier.

I think the "boredom" thing is maybe sometimes cover for mental health issues though? Like, I'm normally out the house a lot as that's my method of coping with life as I get depression sometimes, I give myself stuff to look forward to. I'm finding it particularly draining being the adult in the family who has to trying and find entertaining things for the kids to do, when I'm at a low ebb myself with horrendous PMT. I know one of my family members is really worried about their teenager, but I don't think would mention the details to people generally.

So someone saying they're bored might be interpreted as a shorthand for the person saying they're struggling with lockdown. I think I'd rather have someone saying that than someone saying they want it go to on until 2040!

My friends escaped from Wales today. Their daughter in England is in a bad way mentally so they set off this morning. Got a lovely message arrived safe and sound. So glad they made it.

OH said just now with track and trace, he wondered if he was sat in his car, supermarket car park and covid person parked next to him was putting stuff in the boot and faffing around, would he be picked up as a person who had been in contact despite the fact he was inside the car bubble?

Just caught up on the thread. I see someone's mentioned coming to northumberland. I wouldn't! Dementor Central. I live in a touristy village and the Facebook page is ridiculous. If it wasn't so depressing, it would be hilarious. At the beginning of all this, it was suggested that parking cars across the road so the 'outsiders' couldn't come in, would be a good idea to keep the murdering plague spreaders out. Nearly everyday there are pictures put up to shame those who aren't following their made up rules. And honesty, if I see the words 'second wave' written again, I'll scream.

I wish I knew someone with kids who would let them play with my DC. Unfortunately everyone I know is hysterical.