We're all going on a summer holiday

[MinnieMountain]

Even if it means 2 weeks of quarantine
The anti -dementors are here to be reasonable and sensible about everything.

Ah ok hauntedgoatfart I suppose it makes sense if it's not worthwhile. Right am going to try to tempt the teenage youngling off for a walk to the campsite shop for a lolly. We may even buy murderous slushies.

@rookiemere mobile.twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1263810622430511106

The gov are also concerned about the behavioural effects of someone believing themselves to be immune, particularly if the tests have a false positive rate, which I can see the worry of, as well as the fact that if immunity allowed people more "privileges", people would start actively setting out to catch it. I don't like the infantilisation either, but I think it's legit to stop people getting too sidetracked by antibody testing.

I. With you nihil
Rule challenger here..god my dad would be so proud of me.

I wasn’t looking forward to the two weeks lockdown...but this is just crazy

Don’t anybody sign any contracts unless absolutely forced, in which case write signed under duress underneath your signature
Who is meant to sign, you are the child?
I’d be saying, once my child is out of my jurisdiction I have no control whatsoever over his/ her behaviour which in my eyes makes a contract null and void
I won’t be party to signing a contract on behalf of another person.

I wouldn’t sign my mums care home contract. They didn’t like it, but I stood my ground.
My mum had dementia. LA were paying bills, if I’d have signed and anything untoward had happened, I would’ve been dragged into it . I could’ve been responsible for her fees even if the LA reneged
No way
I was stressed enough.
See rule challenger.
The LA insisted my mum went into a care home so they made it their problem as far as I could see.
I probably wasn’t liked but I don’t care about that.

The sandpit thread is so sad. Almost pointless engaging though.

If the deaths today and tomorrow remain below 500 then the calls to stay locked down really really lose their potency.

They're not expecting the contract to be signed (no paper/ books/ belongings from home allowed in school) - you are in agreement if you send your child apparently

Oh and what alerted me was their covering letter
You might want to run this past a solicitor

Hmm, I thought why would you say that.
Saw my dd who is right on the money and she agreed with me
I’m a big believer in people power.
If you can get parents not to sign there’s not a lot the school can do
We have more power than we think and too often we give it away.

For eg I’m a firm believer in only paying second class postage . If everyone does that, then there’s no first class is there.

<a class="break-all" href="//URL=www.spectator.co.uk/article/norway-health-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-covid" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Norway concludes that lockdown was not needed

Dropping numbers may lead to lockdown lessening in England dreary but doubt that will be the case in Scotland even though there were apparently no deaths reported yesterday which should be a cause for celebration.
Lockdown has turned into a political differentiator between Scotland and England and the ultra cautious approach appears to be a vote winner.

I love the way more people are coming here to this thread and saying their not happy with the way things are going.
Even if half a million did get it, it means 65 and a half million didn’t.
Remember the AIDS situation.
I don’t know anyone who had it or died from it ..personally..but my god we were all going to die

I wonder do people live such boring lives they love a bit of doom and gloom
Or do they feel so powerless in their lives they love to wield a bit of power over us
We have just one life. Live it

I have three planned between mid July and the end of October, so I'm most definitely in! No doubt the dementors will shoot me for daring to travel 3 times in a pandemic year!

Taping up books is so unnecessary

DH is a governor at our DDs’ old primary school - they’ve just removed all the stuff from the classrooms that they can’t use

It looks like point scoring to me.

On the dog groomer front - she’s coming on Friday. Yay!!

I'm back at work Monday! Thank fuck for that.

This utterly shit furlough bollocks is finally over.

GET IN!

Apparently Wales will be getting contract tracing at start of June.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-52821574
The tracing of contacts of people who receive a positive coronavirus test result in Wales will begin in phases from 1 June, the Welsh Government has announced.

I'd seen the reports saying it would be mid June at earliest.

So maybe we'll be let out more here in Wales soon.

www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/weston-hospital-mobile-testing-coronavirus-4167051.amp
This seems to be the hospital admitting they are the source of the high numbers of patients... without coming straight out and saying it!

I'm with you all today. Felt a bit more cheerful over the weekend but am gloomy again now. I too was happy to abide by the rules, i am not even opposed to lockdown per se, but i want proportionality and a firm eye on the other risks and dementoring seems to be about neither of these things - it's actively relishing the role of petty neighbourhood law enforcer and puritanical "virtues". I'm not prepared to jettison liberal values entirely at the door of perceived risk.

And on a less highfalutin note, fucksake at prioritising golf courses and arcade machines etc. I had no patience with the "money before lives" argument when it came to easing of lockdown generally, and reopening schools, because the economy is lives to a certain extent, but so is children's play, and family, and friends and if we can do nothing about these things I am not interested in going to a socially distant arcade. I'd rather post the owner a tenner and sulk.

Interesting about the T cell memory thing. I had posited that as a theory on the "why are London cases so low?" thread having read a bit of wikipedia. Glad to hear my armchair epidemiology skills are improving.

Ps a pp mentioned childcare for grandchildren? Can i legally arrange that? (It would be niece/nephew in my case and involve a drive) Or swaps with neighbours? I am a keyworker if that helps. I was under the impression it was school childcare or nothing.

As depressing as it is that someone has apparently reported toddlers playing in a sand pit to the police, the balance of replies is much more sensible than they would have been a few weeks back. That gives me hope.

Afternoon all, just plonking my bucket and spade here while I catch-up on the thread.

Ps a pp mentioned childcare for grandchildren?

My kids spent last week with grandparents. Grandparents drove up and down from near to County Durham to collect the kids as well... my conscience is clear - the kids needed to uncompress a bit for their mental health. We were just ahead of the Cummings saga in terms of doing it. Shoulda squeezed in a quick eye test to Skegness while we were doing it too.

Actually what's terrifying me now is these "local lockdowns" they're going on about. Local lockdown for a couple of weeks = painful but doable - but having seen how they won't release us from this one - I'm shit scared we'll get locked down again and they'll drag their feet for months releasing us and no one will care cos it'll just be one county or region or whatever under house arrest.

This is it.

If I was in Germany where they were pretty quick abput releasing lockdown, I might be up for local measures.

Seeing the tardiness in releasing us from ours combined with the constitutional abomination of allowing devolved governments full control of human rights law for "their" citizens, plus the Stasi tendency of so many if my fellow UK residents, absolutely no way am I willing to have my local council have any say in where I'm allowed to go and whom I'm allowed to meet.

Oh and talk about "sanctions" if you're pulled up by track and trace and don't comply with "advice" from the BBC breaking news banner along the bottom of Boris bullshitting at the moment.

So it's not advice is it? It's instruction. At least have the metaphorical balls to OWN your bullshit. As it is - you could get locked up in your house for another 9 bloody weeks for having the misfortune to be in Tesco at the same time as someone with the lurgy.

It gets more and more terrifying and dystopian.

DH crosses the border for work - in fact many of his jobs over the years have meant travel as home and work are in different lcoations under different councils. I think with house prices as they are that's not unusal.

So if home gets locked down would workers be protected if it was a longer lock down?

On the dog groomer front - she’s coming on Friday. Yay!!

My dog groomer reopened not a minute too soon. The poor dog was starting to look like the bastard offspring of a porcupine and a tribble. I’d highly recommend some dog grooming round tipped scissors for between grooms. My dog gets armpit and behind the eat knots too, they seem to appear out of nowhere, one day she’s knot free and the next she’s knot city.