Despicable Anti Dementors

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What the Spanish did to their population with that lockdown has really shocked me, TBH.

By the logic of the safety arguments, we will never be able to swim, or meet people, or have fun EVER AGAIN.

It never was "completely safe" to live our lives. We will never be able to meet the demands currently in place for safety, because we never have in the past.

That's why the New Normal People scare me. In a hypochondriarchy, the risk averse are in charge and now they can stop other people taking the risks they always disapproved of. There is a real element of control about some of this.

I don't think I can be arsed to do any murdering today. I'm going to do housework and writing like quarantine-embracing dementor. I should probably be less pissed off, since it's only a theoretical lack of freedom affecting me

MrsWombat we all have slightly different views on here and seem to be able to get along Ok so don't worry. Which is nice.

I'm with you on that MrsWombat!

Yes this video is kind of concerning about the mental impact on such a strict lockdown in Italy too.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-52400085/coronavirus-lockdown-s-heavy-toll-on-italy-s-mental-health

I mentioned the being fined to take children out of school for holidays point to DH this morning. We have decided that as soon as we can go on a fucking holiday we will be pulling the kids out if school and I will not be paying a fine!

To be honest I was always going to pull Ds out of school for a week to go on holidays but I am even more likely to do it now.

Hi from Scotland, where I’ve been taking part in highly illegal activity...my ds, only child, had a running race with a friend in the park , who happened to be there at same time as us- his first time playing with another child since the schools closed. My god, it was Christmas Day levels of smiling and happiness just from a simple run around together. The kids instinctively stayed apart, which was interesting...wonder if anyone will ask the children for their ideas and solutions around distancing for (whisper it) returning to school? They’ve probably got better ideas than most of the alarmist grown ups.

MrsWombat on my local FB page yesterday about parking at the local park, he very astutely put that he knew that the split would be 50/50 with those who see everything in black or white and those that see all the grey in-between.

We need more grey thinkers.

Totally agree with you all. Next time I'm just going to pull the kids out for a holiday and they can shove their fine up their ass.

I agree, it’s ok to not be up for lockdown just vanishing. I don’t personally think we can go back to exactly how things were and in some small ways I kind of hope we don’t - there are some potential positives to be picked out, such as home working perhaps becoming more widely available, and fewer cars being allowed into city centres to facilitate walking and cycling. People taking up new sports like cycling and running, and maybe some impetus for new initiatives to help reduce obesity - actual effective ones, like healthy food becoming more widely available to all.

But we can’t go on like this forever either - we have to find a way to live with this and we can’t isolate ourselves away from everyone for years. Lockdown is not cost free. Economically or emotionally or in terms of our mental and physical health.

My brother would be a high risk of developing a serious case of COVID due to a whole raft of underlying conditions - he deserves to be protected, but I recognise that we need to find our way through this and hysteria and shouting about murder won’t help us to do so. We need cool, rational thinking.

MrsWombat

Welcome. Politely disagreeing we accept, as we're all different, open to other people's opinions and aware that our choices may not be somebody elses. This thread is like a calm oasis away from the screaming banshees on certain others.

I think most of us are in the grey in between area overall. Black and white thinking is an odd thing...

Signing in as a grey here, (greyer than usual due to roots) Now off on my bike to suss out queues at local recycling and garden centers.

I think a lot on here agree with you MrsWombat. It’s not that we don’t think covid should be taken seriously, it’s the ridiculous panic and doom mongering everywhere that is the problem.

Yep. I am in the grey area too.

I don't think lifting lockdown with no restrictions immediately is a good idea. I equally don't think lockdown continuing as it is for much longer is a good idea either.

I actually think what the government are planning is really the only option (and I have never been a fan of Boris)

I think what a lot of people are missing is that the virus won't magically disappear. Things won't ever be "safe" but nor have they ever been. We need to find ways to live with it and yes things won't be "normal" for a while but they'll be significantly more normal that what we are living with now.

@Smilethoyourheartisbreaking I'm very pro EU membership too (sadly rejoin now, not remain . I think people wanting to relax the lockdown are on all sides, maybe it will help bring us together again. I hope so. Covid is killing us in many ways at the moment and we need to find a way to remain our humanity.

I was told last night that schools weren't closed, only the buildings.

Sometimes, violence appeals 😂😂😂

I have caught up! Hello everyone

Talking about mental effects on children. I took DD for her 12-month jabs at the GPs and she was petrified when we went in. Literally shaking with fear. She would have no reason to be afraid other than being totally unused to being in a different environment and seeing different people. She's only one - she'll get over it - but the older the children are (and the more their parents have scared them about The Virus), the worse it's going to be

And @MrsWombat there's a range of views here, and I also find it really helpful for explaining things that I don't automatically understand, like the modelling thing. Things I can't ask anywhere else without just getting We're all going to dieee!!!

I'm grey as well. I take all precautions I feel sensible. Social distancing, washing hands and so on. But I go out a lot in the fesh air and sunshine and am not afraid.

Our school has told us there will be no fines imposed if people don't want to send their kids in before the summer holidays if they do open back up. My kids won't be in the first classes back anyway.

rosettesforjill we had a similar experience a few weeks ago. DS’s 12 month jabs (at 16 months ) and he was petrified. The first people other than us he’s seen for months and they were in full PPE. My older two never had a reaction like that to having immunisations. He was screaming and shaking before they even injected him. Then I couldn’t sit and comfort him afterwards as they rushed us straight out of the door.
I used to be a bit scathing or people who cried at their child’s immunisations but I sat in the car afterwards and sobbed.

it’s ok to not be up for lockdown just vanishing.

Yeah. I definitely don't want that, because I feel like it would undo all the good we've done.

But I was reading an argument on another thread that people won't be able to admit lockdown was a mistake, even if it was. And it made me wonder how much of that is true of me. I want normality (not New Normal, actual normal) restored gradually and carefully because I feel I (and in particular my children) have given a lot (far less than others, admittedly) and I really don't want it to be for nothing.

DH always thought it was bullshit, so he doesn't care either way. He never invested, but I did.

I’ve always said we need to be sensible and cautious about moving forward, but we need to keep moving forward. We also need to always keep in mind balancing the danger of the virus versus the long term damage to mental health and the economy. Even those people who can work from home forever in jobs with no risk of redundancy or those sitting comfortably on chunky final salary pensions will be ultimately negatively effected by cuts to services from a deep recession.