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Dementors Begone!

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ThatLibraryMiss · 06/05/2020 20:42

Take your shaming and your doom and gloom somewhere else.

Dementors Begone!
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Orangeblossom78 · 09/05/2020 09:22

I suppose so (essentail journeys) also they are not considering the thing of seeing more family just yet. From the Times today we will need to wait for confirmation of this tomorrow

Orangeblossom78 · 09/05/2020 09:28

From: www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-green-light-for-garden-centres-on-long-road-out-of-lockdown-jq0qv3tm2

Garden centres in England will be allowed to reopen from Wednesday, Boris Johnson will say tomorrow.

In England, garden centres and nurseries will be given two days to ensure that they can operate social distancing and cleaning measures to mitigate the risk. They will not be allowed to open cafés or play areas.

Comment here: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-public-lead-the-way-on-lockdown-lifting-dfcjqrd20

An easing of restrictions by government is imminent but many of us began doing so sensibly and cautiously weeks ago

"From Monday, fingers crossed, hardware shops may open. Great news for my local DIY store, which has never shut. Unlimited daily exercise will be allowed — how the cyclists on 80km daily jaunts will cheer. I’ll let solo sunbathers in my park know they can sunbathe, landscape gardeners and builders on my street they can work, the fruit stall guy who sold me raspberries that markets might trade again.

Tomorrow the government will announce an easing of measures that many began weeks ago, not with rash defiance but tentative caution. Just as government declared lockdown a fortnight after the public had retreated indoors, so it follows behind us as we blink into the street."

"...In its thinking and actions it must navigate two fierce ideological tribes, now lockdown is a new battleground in the culture wars. To some extent these map the old Brexit divide of Leave and Remain. Many Leave-the-housers want to quit lockdown as much as they longed to exit the EU: they include impatient British tabloids prematurely cheering we’d be free on “Happy Monday”. These are free marketeers and libertarians who find angriest voice in gun-toting, beach-swarming Trump fans with “Arbeit macht frei” signs.

Yet Leave-the-housers include second-referendum marchers, longing for their breezy open-bordered old lives of New York business trips and Eurostar weekends; who feel they are young, fit, healthy and rich enough to survive any damn virus, but are barricaded indoors by the lumpen, lazy and frit.

On the opposing side are the Remain-insiders who demand the country stays shut until a vaccine is found. Eighteen months, two years . . . who cares? Only 23 per cent of us think the economy should reopen before the virus is fully contained. Anyone muttering that the economy will by then be dust is putting profits before lives. (Lives lost to Covid, that is, not from untreated cancer, poverty or despair.)

Remain-insiders have found in lockdown a sense of purpose and identity their previous lives lacked. People who change Twitter handles to “Stay Indoors, Don’t Socialise” remind me of Jennifer Saunders saying that some of her fellow breast cancer survivors wear the disease “like a badge”. In lockdown many have enjoyed being resourceful, useful, community spirited. Those who resent the world’s ceaseless demands, frantic pace and long working hours to afford things they don’t really need, feel freer.

Others relish power to judge and rebuke others for their moral failings: at least 200,000 people have reported neighbours to the police snitch-line. Others enjoy shaming politicians not seen to clap the NHS. In lockdown the moral high ground is your own sofa: you can be noble and virtuous just by sitting on your backside.

Government was surprised that liberty-loving Britain is the most pro-lockdown nation, with 87 per cent of people polled late last month supporting its extension. We are, of course, terrified by the death toll and Covid’s caprices. But this is also because unlike Spain or Italy it isn’t punitive house arrest, just an eternal dull Seventies bank holiday. If you’re not bereaved, alone or watching your business die, but furloughed on 80 per cent salary, who — with the weather so glorious — would rush back to a job they don’t like?

Politically the Remain-insiders have the upper hand. The smallest second spike in infections would spark renewed cries that Tories want the old and vulnerable to die. Corbynites who have always sought large government and a command economy are electrified that half of us are now bankrolled by the state. Unions grasp potential for leverage. It would be a calamity if the poorest children, who lack space and parental supervision at home, lose five months’ school. Yet while all research shows child-to-adult infection is almost unknown, teaching unions cite risk.

The question now is how much risk can you endure? While Leave-the-housers merrily play odds they think they can beat, whoever else dies, Remain-insiders won’t countenance any risk at all.

Yet the rest of us make daily calculations. Parents are used to life or death gambles: you can’t imagine ever letting your five-year-old cross a road alone, until the day you know in your gut she is ready and, heart in mouth, let her go. Likewise I would take a half-empty bus now or drink outside a pub. But would I sit in a theatre audience? Not yet.

In their careful risk calculations, the public is way ahead of Sunday’s probable announcements. Lonely people are taking socially distanced walks with friends or drinking together in gardens. Roads are busier. Small traders have marked two-metre lines on shop floors with duct tape and lifted shutters. So many measures are more performative than preventive: the diligent supermarket queue that dissolves into a scrum for eggs inside, the silly idea that flights are safe with empty middle seats when you’d still squeeze out to the loo.

But we will edge forward, evaluating the odds, unrushed by business leaders or guilt-tripped by virtue-signalling fools who tell us we have blood on our hands if we visit B&Q. The government following behind us, approving the rule changes we’ve already made. As it should be"

Drivingdownthe101 · 09/05/2020 09:29

Someone on another thread has called out some ‘British reverse exceptionalism’, saying basically what we’re saying on here... that we’re not the ‘laughing stock of the world’ because people aren’t actually all that bothered about what we’re doing. All she got in reply was ‘you make no sense’.

Mascotte · 09/05/2020 09:30

I really wish they'd do something to let kids out. Allowed to see friends, play football. There appears to be no risk from this although I was called a child murderer and actually told to find my War spirit on Facebook yesterday. By a woman who told us how the War had had no bad effects on children...

Orangeblossom78 · 09/05/2020 09:30

What about the people in the middle? Kind of defines the different dementor tribes in a way...

Mascotte · 09/05/2020 09:30

Today, I am not going to engage. I'm going to read this thread and Prof Karol Sikora on Twitter for some sanity and positivity.

AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter · 09/05/2020 09:32

Do they really think people in other countries are sitting down, scouring the internet for news about the UK?

They dont bloody care! Unless there is something specifically in their news about the UK, they arent thinking about us. They are dealing with their own lockdown, their own restrictions, their own death rate. FFS- this obsession that we are the centre of the world and everyone is watching us is so unbelievably egotistical and arrogant.

Orangeblossom78 · 09/05/2020 09:34

The best bits of that article I felt were:

"In lockdown the moral high ground is your own sofa: you can be noble and virtuous just by sitting on your backside"

and

"guilt-tripped by virtue-signalling fools who tell us we have blood on our hands if we visit B&Q" Grin I like Janice Turner, she wrote a great piece on the over 70s the other day as well. About how they should have the choice

Orangeblossom78 · 09/05/2020 09:36

My relative in the Netherlands mainly comments on their own situation - most people do surely as that is what they have to deal with, how it impacts in their family. Would have thought similar for most people- issues are the same all round anyway

Daffodil101 · 09/05/2020 09:38

It can be a real challenge to separate the two at times, particularly in women dx with PD whose autism has been missed

Orangeblossom78 · 09/05/2020 09:42

"I really wish they'd do something to let kids out. Allowed to see friends, play football..."

Me too, I wish they would at least do some kind of sports there - they were doing move a mile every day as well, a health initiative, which helps children not into sports or attending after school clubs to keep for as well. We can do stuff like walks and bike rides but it's not really the same as with others the same age.

We also have a City farm which was doing lots with disadvantaged children would be nice if that could re-open as it's outside.

MagdaS · 09/05/2020 09:47

The VE Day dying on the streets bollocks also takes no account of the fact that CV can’t be transmitted between people who don’t have the virus. Which if you’ve been in your house for 7 weeks, you probably haven’t. The dementors seem to think the minute you come within radius of anyone, anyone at all, you will catch CV and you will die.

MagdaS · 09/05/2020 09:52

I was told yesterday by a neighbour his golf club had written to him and said they were re-opening on Monday. I’m a bit dubious because my line of work means I would probably know already if that was the case, but actually if it’s true it’s a massive shame as the golf course is enormous and has been reclaimed by the community. People with space to sensibly exercise, social distance and allow children to run off some steam. I think that should come ahead of a small subsection of the population.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 09/05/2020 09:52

I appear to have upset them on the VE Day 'we're all going to die' thread by saying I enjoyed myself. They're hoping I'll apologise to the neighbours and healthcare professionals when I've given them all covid!

Mascotte · 09/05/2020 09:54

So.. another newish potential friend has today posted on Facebook proclaiming "I HAVE AN IMMUNE SYSTEM, I DON'T NEED A VACCINE!"

Next post from her the big long one about being a twat and not being entitled to medical help if you wAnt to IGNORE LOCKDOWN 🙄🙄

Mascotte · 09/05/2020 09:55

@PinkSparklyPussyCat 😂😂

Orangeblossom78 · 09/05/2020 09:55

We get a daily 'thread of doom' don't we! Today it is VE day, yesterday can't remember..(schools?) then before that it was the particularly bad one about 'bodies found in the homes' one. It's like a daily morning 'dose of doom' around here!

sueelleker · 09/05/2020 09:57

Trust me, if I had the wrong milk or bread, that stockpile of bogroll would vanish and the miasma would either cure Covid 19 or annihilate the population far more effectively
Perhaps that's why we haven't caught it-my spaniel is a secret weapon when it comes to gas!

OutwardBound2016 · 09/05/2020 09:57

I think the sense of purpose thing is spot on, I know at the beginning of the first thread we discussed it. There seem to be an awful lot of people who love a cause and to get behind something (however random), they seem to be the same people who don’t have a lot of stuff going on in real life, it’s sad really that people feel that frightening other people is part of this.

DrearyWallAntler · 09/05/2020 09:58

I think that people who can calculate and personalise the data are more likely to be non dementors.

For example for me I live in the SW which has one (if not the) lowest insidence rates in the UK. (something which really needs to be looked at in more detail)

If I catch it I have 3.2% chance of going to hospital.

If I do end up in hospital I have 5% chance of requiring critical care.

Overall IFR is 0.08%.

Although that's twice as deadly as flu, I wasn't worried about dying from that last year.

Basically the odds are in my favour.

Tappering · 09/05/2020 09:58

I'm not engaging with them today. I'm feeling ever so slightly hungover (had a third glass of wine last night, which was a mistake as this is always what tips me over into feeling a bit shabby the next day). I may go and have a snooze.

DressingGownofDoom · 09/05/2020 09:59

The VE Day thread is very funny, with lots of frothing. My fave:

'I agree OP . I kid you not, in my ex's street , they actually did a conga line down the street - about 60 odd people'

Grin
sueelleker · 09/05/2020 10:00

the silly idea that flights are safe with empty middle seats when you’d still squeeze out to the loo.
Not to mention all the recycled air in the cabin-unless they're filtering it all the time.

Orangeblossom78 · 09/05/2020 10:01

I am using them to practice mindfulness, as a challenging practice. Seeing, observing it, letting it go...and breathe...

Orangeblossom78 · 09/05/2020 10:04

The VE day one is so OTT and funny. like it is a plan to kill people..

"Imagine having a celebration to commemorate the brave actions of our elderly and using to spread a virus that kills them. It's astounding"