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In some positive news: Danes and Czechs say easing lockdowns has produced no Covid-19 surge.

(but I expect they are all better than us and had a PROPER lockdown that nobody was FLOUTING and anyway they’ll definitely get a huge second wave they just haven’t noticed it yet, or something)

I used to live in Spain for a while and I can't imagine that they followed the rules to the letter!! I've no evidence , but I know they are as stubborn as any other nationality and many would have found ways around things!
They are very family minded people.

My friends brother lives in rural France and they have had a tougher lockdown there but they are pretty isolated anyway where they are apparently , but they couldn't drive to the big supermarket and had to use the local shop, bakery and food market.
Ours hasn't been as bad as that at least.
Even if some would have loved this approach.

On the mild cases, an interesting thing to look at is the Diamond Princess, the cruise ship (hesitates to mention 'cruise ships' )

Anyway, as lots were tested on the ship, and most were older people it gave a study of how mild the cases were in general and how many severe. I think the mortality rate was quite low...anyway this would not go down well at all! But I found it reassuring anyway.

I’ve known a couple of people with definite (tested positive) Covid and a few others who suspect we’ve had it, and thankfully nobody’s been all that ill and even the illest one got better.

But I too have been told that unless you’re gasping for breath while typing out your will then you can’t possibly have had it. Oh and that ‘mild’ doesn’t mean ‘mild’ for Covid it just means ‘very ill but not admitted to hospital’

Does feel like one of the qualities of dementorship is inability to handle any kind of nuance at all. So ‘mild for most people but lethal for some and given there’s 60 million of us it would cause a lot of deaths nationally if we just let it rip through’ gets translated to ‘will kill almost everyone’.

More on the Diamond Princess here,

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w

Using the Diamond Princess data, a team reports in Eurosurveillance1 that by 20 February, 18% of all infected people on the ship had no symptoms. “That is a substantial number,” says co-author Gerardo Chowell, a mathematical epidemiologist at Georgia State University in Atlanta. But the passengers included a large number of elderly people, who are most likely to develop severe disease if infected, so the share of asymptomatic people in the general population is likely to be higher, he says.

Disease severity
Another team used data from the ship to estimate2 that the proportion of deaths among confirmed cases in China, the case fatality rate (CFR), was around 1.1% — much lower than the 3.8% estimated by the World Health Organization (WHO).

Although it goes on to say they think it is much lower than that overall.

everythingisginandroses, dementors are mutating fast . There are new strains all the time. I hope you don't think you're ever going to get them all

GoldenOmber that’s exactly it. The narrative is that it will kill almost everyone and, by extension, if you leave your house you will die and kill everyone you come into touch with. Particularly if that is for a frivolous purpose (as defined by them).

Yep, definitely recognise the 'Nervous dependants' and 'Resentful pessimists', @Orangeblossom78 - thank you for the lockdown tribes, hadn't seen that before!

@Summersunandoranges that's hilarious! It would go down like a lead balloon with Ds2, mind, though his particular brand of drooling and groaning means that no silly hat is needed. Most people give him a very wide berth :o

And I can't wait to send him back to school. I'm getting nothing done with a house full.

OMFG, mutating Dementors

"Over here in this dense jungle, it's a rare chance to see Dementor vs Dementor in the wild:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3898522-time-to-get-real-people

Watch carefully, this opportunity may not last for very long..."

I have a terrible confession, everythingisginandroses. I might just be a Yorkshire Dementor

Do we need 15 mins contact to catch it then?

The longer you're with an infected person, and the closer to them you are, the greater the risk that you'll absorb enough virus to become ill. The WHO came up with the idea that you need to be within 2m of someone for 15 minutes to have a good (well, I suppose it's bad really) chance of catching the virus from them. In theory you could catch it from someone reaching past you to pick up the last bag of bread flour in a supermarket but the chance is vanishingly remote as long as they're not coughing on you.

Or maybe it was 1m. I saw that figure too in the early days.

confused then why are they so worried about a runner passing by?

I'm not, but the people who try to merge into the hedge as I take 2 seconds to walk past in the opposite direction don't seem to have read the same memo as I did.

That thread is another opportunity for them to repeat ‘lockdown, what lockdown?’ and ‘this isn’t even a PROPER lockdown’

Has the virus mutated to a superior form in Yorkshire, @TheCountessofFitzdotterel? Or do the locals just beat it to death with black puddings?

@ThatLibraryMiss I know someone in the shielding category - I ca understand why shes scared. But she also doesn't like the idea of an app or vaccination, but is mega enthusiastic about lockdown. It seems a wee bit unreasonable to expect everyone else to go into lockdown but reject everything that can overcome it.

she also doesn't like the idea of an app or vaccination, but is mega enthusiastic about lockdown

What's the plan there, then? Hide forever?

Over in the wild, AKA the 'Time to get real people' thread, one of the Dementor Overlords has pointed out that medical advances won't stop people from DYING. There are Spanish Flu comparisons. Someone mentioned the Black Death. Also a new word has been invented: 'fuckungbstkfush'. I hope this is not a sign of Dementor mutation.

I've just read the "time to get real" thread and I've been rolling my eyes non stop.

One of the main Dementor Overlords on the schools thread keeps coming back to gleefully announce all the new ways people may die from Covid

The Yorkshire virus is definitely better everythingisginandroses. God's Own Virus. We should probably isolate from Lancashire so it doesn't get spoilt.

My lovely DH organised a delivery of the most delicious gf brownies yesterday. It totally made my week. He really is a brilliant man.

I saw a Scottish Dementor on a thread a while ago ranting about Covid being further evidence that Scotland should be independent, as she knew for a fact that everyone there was complying with lockdown (and Wales and Ireland apparently) whereas no one in England at all was taking it seriously. Fact, she said.

Stands to reason, @TheCountessofFitzdorrel. Ah, the Dementor Overlords. Well, if I'm going to die of kidney problems, long-term lung damage or heart damage, at least I won't have spent the rest of my life being fucking miserable. I believe the Overlord in question was also a major Brexit Dementor - I voted remain, but I'm not spending the rest of my life obsessing over that, either.