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Dementors can dement but we'll keep it positive here

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hobnobsaremyfavourite · 02/05/2020 10:59

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AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter · 03/05/2020 15:02

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LOL! If the dementors are just staying home then how can anyone track them???

Their activity will be fascinating wont it- Mon 4th may- target is at home
Tues 5th May- target at home, Wed, thurs, fri, sat sun: target at home

yeah, the CIA will be able to do LOTS with that info!

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 03/05/2020 15:10

The dementors on my Facebook are from all over geographically and in terms of class/wealth. What they seem to have in common is that they either suffer from anxiety or they have something in their life to feel genuinely anxious about (eg child with SEN, career problems, financial worries) and they are eagerly embracing the chance to distract themselves with a different worry and make everyone else share it so they are not alone for once.
The first sort respond positively to reassurance, the second just get cross if you question their doom & gloom narrative.

Chockablok · 03/05/2020 15:21

The Ten Person Bubble thread is hilarious dementor fodder.

You can literally see the control slipping from their hands.

No. This cannot be allowed!!! How can you police who is whose bubbles!!!

I imagine them shaking as they sit at their computer in a dark room, frantically trying to shut down the single people who just want contact with ONE human being, their dementor fingers trembling as they wonder if their curtain twitching diary will need to ramp up from a notebook to a spreadsheet 😂.

The80sweregreat · 03/05/2020 15:22

It depends on your personal circumstances doesn't it? If you can lockdown for ages because money isn't a problem then they always can't see the logic of those wanting to go back to work ( to pay bills) and want schools to open. It's leave v remain again!

I know it's not as simple as that but without an economy making money there won't be any NHS or schools getting any money.
The more closed minded dementors can't see this ( maybe) the more 'middle of the road ones 'can see it but their fear is great than the truth of this situation.

I'm sure that the big plan will be made soon and let's hope it's sensible!
Seeing family for many will be enough for now I guess. Let's hope people can do that soon.

psychomath · 03/05/2020 15:27

Hmm, I'm just thinking some more about this Bluetooth thing - it has quite a long range normally, doesn't it? At least judging by my Bluetooth speakers. None of the houses round here have front yards, they're all very close to the pavement. Will we all get notified if someone walks past outside who later tests positive? Or what about if you're on the pavement and someone in a passing car has it? I guess it's better than nothing, but unless they have a way of limiting it to people who are actually within two metres of each other it seems like there could potentially be a huge number of false alarms.

Drivingdownthe101 · 03/05/2020 15:31

I think you’re only alerted if you’re within contact for more than 15 mins.

Orangeblossom78 · 03/05/2020 15:31

The false alarms was my first thought too. being told to quarantine for weeks every time it went off. Also that apparently it is more likely to get it from surfaces than anything.

Orangeblossom78 · 03/05/2020 15:32

Do we need 15 mins contact to catch it then? Confused then why are they so worried about a runner passing by? All seems a bit contradictory

Drivingdownthe101 · 03/05/2020 15:34

Orangeblossom78 I’ve got no idea Grin. I think the risk of catching it from a brief encounter in the street is vanishingly low, but for the dementors that is TOO MUCH RISK.

GoldenOmber · 03/05/2020 15:39

The dementors also don’t approve of people enjoying things in lockdown either though. It is NOT A HOLIDAY and having fun is NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF LOCKDOWN, which is grimly scowling forever.

LisaSimpsonsbff · 03/05/2020 15:46

I have always been a bit suspicious of the 'just walking by someone within 2m is enough to catch it' thing - that's not how we think of any other disease I can speak of spreading, including things that are highly contagious with an R number much higher than coronavirus. However, I have kept this scepticism to myself because I will be told that I am not a scientist (which is a true and fair point) and also that I must literally want to murder the elderly to harbour such heretical thoughts.

LisaSimpsonsbff · 03/05/2020 15:48

If you can lockdown for ages because money isn't a problem then they always can't see the logic of those wanting to go back to work ( to pay bills) and want schools to open.

I think, though, that a lot of them only think money is no issue because they think that the government will keep paying furlough indefinitely.

Teateaandmoretea · 03/05/2020 15:50

Do we need 15 mins contact to catch it then?

Well put it this way before lockdown I cycled 30 miles and sat in a cafe with 2 people who had it (one was tested later, the other wasn’t but they are a couple) There were 8 of us in total, no one had any symptoms after this. So I’m not convinced it’s quite as contagious as some imagine. Of course it clearly is contagious but you can’t get it from walking past someone on the street.

@goldenomber it’s main spread is through people having fun didn’t you know that?

The80sweregreat · 03/05/2020 15:50

The contract tracing app will be a nightmare to implement and use.
Plus how will it be policed? It goes off in Tesco. People ignore it , then what?
( gosh , I sound like a dementor!)

everythingisginandroses · 03/05/2020 15:51

A little lockdown activity: Dementor-spotting. Can you add any?

  1. The Lockdown Zealot Dementor (AKA The Worried Well). We all know these ones. Everything must be locked down, preferably Wuhan-style, until a vaccine is found or the virus somehow eliminated, 'cause New Zealand shows that can work for everyone, ok?
  2. The Gradgrind Dementor - everyone needs to Just Get Back to Work, Stop Shirking and Stop Making Such a Bloody Fuss.
  3. The Defensive Dementor (AKA The Worried Well #2). I am unsure about this category, it may be a subset of (1) and (2). These are the people who pop up on threads where people suffering/recovering from Covid-19 are trying to discuss their symptoms and concerns, and say things like "Are you sure your symptoms aren't psychosomatic?" or their favourite: "Have any of you been TESTED? How did you go about getting a TEST? If you haven't been TESTED you are just scaremongering and spreading misinformation!"

As others have said, the distinguishing feature of a Dementor is not whether they are pro or anti-lockdown, it's their complete rigidity and inability to accept that other people's situations and viewpoints will differ.

Interestingly, when someone who's most likely had Covid-19 pops up elsewhere on the boards, they tend not to show Dementor qualities. Maybe I am inclined to give people a bye, having had a 'moderate' case myself (moderate = feeling shit for several weeks), but I think experience makes people more empathetic - either that or the virus kills off Dementor cells!

Teateaandmoretea · 03/05/2020 15:51

The thing is 80s we’re just going to give it a shot and hope that it helps.

The80sweregreat · 03/05/2020 15:53

Yes, the contact trace app will have to be given a go.

Teateaandmoretea · 03/05/2020 16:01

The WHO dementor - those who believe without question (and misunderstand) everything that the WHO states and compares everything to this ‘gold standard’. Even though the WHO clearly have limited and changing knowledge like everyone else.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 03/05/2020 16:02

The thing is, none of the measures works perfectly, but then they don't need to, they all just reduce the R by a little bit and overall hopefully add up to enough of a reduction.

GoldenOmber · 03/05/2020 16:02

The contact tracing app won’t ping off in Tesco like “ALERT ALERT PLAGUE” Grin it’ll send you a notification that someone you’ve been in close contact with recently has since tested positive for Covid so now you need to get tested too. Guessing by the time it’s implemented there’ll be so few new cases in people who are out and about that most people won’t get any notification at all, if it works ok.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 03/05/2020 16:07

The reverse nationalist Dementor: we are the worst country in the world and we are the only ones to be having care home deaths/PPE supply problems/people FLOUTING lockdown because the rest of the world are all saints with competent governments. We should be more like the Chinese/French/Vietnamese/Austrians, in fact anyone except the Americans.

MagdaS · 03/05/2020 16:10

Absolutely Orangeblossom the idea that there are any mild cases at all is met with outrage. They are insistent that mild cases are those where people are ill for weeks, nothing less, but haven’t been hospitalised. It’s simply not the case, I know plenty of others who have had it, a couple of them confirmed by testing, and they have quickly and fully recovered.

We are a mixed bunch at work, some desperate to get back, some who would feel better if they could stay at home longer, generally those who are vulnerable, but no one thinks lockdown should last indefinitely. And we can all WFH comfortably enough. And I’m certainly not trying to impose my more relaxed views on those who want to be more cautious for whatever reason.

Orangeblossom78 · 03/05/2020 16:14

Thus reminds me of a study done on 'what lockdown tribe are you'- think the dementors would mainly go in Nervous Dependants or Resentful Pessiments, do you think?

.....Research that has tracked behavioral responses to the nationwide lockdown.

The study, by the data consultancy firm Auspex which surveyed 2,000 British adults, has broken the population down into five broad groups based on their reaction to life under quarantine and the personality traits that they are most associated with.

The survey, conducted online, found that the largest group — almost a third — was made up of “pragmatic realists”, who support the government and are complying with its measures. Those in the group are typically better educated and from a higher socio-economic background than other types. They are typically older, watch more television and shop at Marks & Spencer.

“Nervous dependants” comprise the second largest category, around a quarter of interviewees. These people are most scared by the pandemic and are pessimistic about the future, believing the lockdown will go on for at least another six months. They are more likely to trust accepted scientific authority figures, and are very supportive of the NHS. This category is the most left-leaning and those within it typically work in teaching, the arts and healthcare. They cite Zara and Primark as their favourite clothing brands.

“Resentful pessimists” make up just under a fifth of the population. These people hold a negative perspective on the future as shaped by the virus but feel aggrieved at losing their freedoms and view most government interventions as unacceptable They consume less news than other groups.

Around 14 per cent of people fall into the category of “deluded optimists”. Typically male and from a poorer background, they are least afraid of the virus or the toll that it will take. Accordingly, they have moderated their behaviour less than others, and are more likely to continue doing as they please. They watch less television than others but are more frequent visitors to YouTube and online chat forums.

Just over 10 per cent of respondents fell into the “sceptical troublemakers” group. These people are also not scared by the pandemic and are the most likely to actively go against public health guidance. They are more likely to be young, male and comfortable. They name Audi and BMW as their favourite car brands

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/troublemaker-or-realist-coronavirus-lockdown-tribes-vr0twnqsp

iamapixie · 03/05/2020 16:15

I hope this isn't rude as it's a relief to have a sensible polite thread and I don't want to ruin it, but I'm cynical about how many dementors know so many people dying or dead of Covid but seem to know so few who have, say, died of cancer, or stroke or dementia or meningitis.
Sorry, I know that in itself is a bit dementor ish - they're not happy thoughts - but I increasingly suspect that while anxiety is a huge problem, there are a number of people who are simply trolling. I have known people who have died of the above and more, as well as by suicide, and hit and run.
I don't think my experience of life, illness and death extraordinary, yet if the dementors are to be believed, no one they've ever known has died until this year.
Also I agree about the ridiculousness of the 'it's always serious and even the mild version is terrible' argument. As they wail about how I'll infect them by buying a non essential curlywurly, they must see that considering the lateness of lockdown I am as likely to have got it and infected them beforehand with my tube-travelling, curlywurly-buying irresponsibility as I am now. I was even sending DC on the tube to school and - horror of horror, going to parties, cinemas and theatres. DC, DP and I were basically death machines throughout February and March. Or perhaps a number of us who have had a few odd symptoms including the bizarre eye-ache and loss of smell and taste got it mildly? Obviously not in dementor world. (not saying that the loss of smell and taste isn't totally annoying by the way. I know I should be grateful my nose and mouth didn't fall off, but it's really depressing when one of the few joys left is food and drink and everything sort of tastes of nothing!)

everythingisginandroses · 03/05/2020 16:16

WHO Dementors and Reverse-Nationalist Dementors thank you @Teateaandmoretea and @TheCountessofFitzdotterel. The other day a Dementor in the wild was claiming that there are 20 different strains of Covid in circulation, so surely there must be at least as many types of Dementor? Nature abhors a vacuum and all that.

Yesterday another Dementor in the wild (Lockdown Zealot type) said, and I quote: "I am risk-averse." A bit of understatement there for a change! Grin